PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

[cpforlife.org]

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.

[JeffAtlanta]

BTW, we may be referring to different photos. I'm talking about the ones of bloody fetuses. You may be talking about the photos of the fetus development - if so, I have no quarrel with those. They just need to be presented in a calm and non-ranting manner.

[narses]

See 1616 and 1627. A fascinating discussion of "rights" and "society" with a salting of the role guns play in the debate. Please add in, especially from the perspective of Catholic Social Action, your comments.

[Syncro]

cp, thanks for this thread. It is not stupid, and is good it was posted.

Don't let anyone get you down.

Jeff, I don't agree with your last post.

The MSM doesn't show the reality of what happened on 9-11-2001 but will show pictures of beheadings. And then support the terrorists.

And Planned Parenthood doesn't show women that they have a baby inside them so they can keep their multimillion business going.

[A Jovial Cad]

*So cpforlife.org merely pointed out his hypocrisy*

WHAT hypocrisy? Please point out ONE instance. Again, the question is NOT whatever diversionary tactic you wish to employ, but rather: WHAT hypocrisy? Point to one--JUST ONE--instance, please. ONE, *just one*, will do...

[Syncro]

Gosh, settle down.

:>)

One word: Scroll up.

Nighty nite Cad.

[A Jovial Cad]

I accept your concession to my irrefutable points; appreciate your finally answering the question; and vow to never again, from this point forward, post to you again without invitation (i.e., as long as you or one of your surrogate allies doesn't post to me).

I'm pro-life, and always have been, BTW. I voted for Senator-elect Tom Coburn enthusiastically--in both the GOP primary and the general election here--for crying out loud.

[JeffAtlanta]

Each child can feel pain. Each child has brain function.

Could you post some studies that support the claim that a first trimester fetus experiences pain? I'm not saying you're wrong, I would just like to see your backing evidence.

Also, what level of brain function do you mean?

[Syncro]

I accept your concession to my irrefutable points

Are you Daughterofiwojimavet in drag?

You use your relatives the same way.

[ladyinred]

Showing pictures of a baby developing inside the womb do harm? I don't agree with that Jeff. They show that it is a baby, not a nothing which is what the pro abortion crowd leads too many people to believe.

[Syncro]

Just a quick post, but a baby 18 days old has a beating heart.

If you don't believe that, I'll show you the url tomorrow.

And BTW, I am a former zygote.

[A Jovial Cad]

I'll "settle down" when you lose that Sig line--it mocks my departed grandfather, who was a Pacific War veteran during WW II. Neither he nor my Sig line that expresses a sentiment he cherished from his time in the service of our country has anything to do with the current debate between you & I--mock me, or anything I say, all you wish. But I respectfully ask that you leave him, as dignified in my Sig line, out of it. It's a decent request--and I thank you in advance for recognizing that, and doing the right thing.

[JeffAtlanta]

Check my follow up message - we are referring to different photos. I thought you were referring to the bloody fetus photos shown earlier.

[A Jovial Cad]

*You use your relatives the same way*

Nonsense: I "use" my "relatives" in no such way, and you well know it. It's just more bilge and scummy tactics on the part of those who smart from being so completely refuted, and mocked. I invite anyone to read through the thread...what any discerning person will see is "Syncro" and his pals being handed their metaphorical heads in the one-on-one debates--and having to appeal to inherently sleazy, leftist tactics as points of refutation. When the surrender finally came, it was in the form of a whimper from your pal begging me not to "post" his way again...he simply couldn't handle the cold hard hammer of facts and provable assertions posted over and over and over again that buried his arguments--and neither, I suspect, are you so capable...but I'm game for more, if that's the road you want to travel...

[JeffAtlanta]

Just a quick post, but a baby 18 days old has a beating heart.

I never doubted that - that's why I didn't ask about it. The fetus pain argument is much more in doubt. I just don't want the pro-life movement to suffer due to reporting bad information. There are many well documented ways to call attention that a first trimester fetus is a human being - the beating heart is one of them.

All of the good evidence will be ignored though, if mixed in with some shaky evidence.

[lara]

Alan Keyes not getting elected had nothing to do with his pro-life beliefs. Fitzgerald was very pro-life and had no problem getting elected. Specter would have lost the primary if not for Bush and Santorum. And I feel confident that Toomey would have carried PA. if he had won the primary.

What do you mean when you say "The abortion is #1 crowd" won't leave"? Where do you want us to go?

[Syncro]

Right or wrong, the image that the "abortion must be banned at all cost" crowd projects is one in which a Taliban type government is installed to keep the people moral. In this government the bible is the supreme law of the land, not the constitution.

That makes no sense. The taliban doesn't use the Bible.

The Constitution was penned with the Bible as its base.

By our standards, the people that Saul was told to kill were innocent. The battle was over, the opposing army wiped out and the city unguarded - only women (some pregnant) and children were there.

Well if you are so sure of that, show me the proof. In a URL.

[Syncro]

I concur with your recent posts.

Nice to see ya...

[A Jovial Cad]

...*chirp*...the silence is deafening...(snicker)...

[JeffAtlanta]

Well if you are so sure of that, show me the proof. In a URL.

1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling

[Syncro]

The irony is that as a steadfast pro-lifer myself, I agree with much of what the original post was all about as regards holding our Party to account when it comes to such issues. I disagree with the childish presentation & challenge, and object strongly (as my STILL unanswered original question made clear) to some of the language used to advance it

But your degrading language is alright? And your immature remarks? And you're acceptance of your handlers using filthy language? Don't disparage others for what you do too.