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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: Luis Gonzalez

How did you obtain my pic? :)


1,681 posted on 11/14/2004 9:23:49 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
hehehe...
1,682 posted on 11/14/2004 9:25:45 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

LOL!


1,683 posted on 11/14/2004 9:27:47 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: JeffAtlanta
Doesn't matter - it was still law of the land. An ammendment made that decision moot.

Actually it matters quite a bit. You se the oveririding decision in Scott was that Taney and friends decided that the Constituion forced slavery onto Missouri when Missouri wanted to expand the rights of blacks. Sound familiar?

1,684 posted on 11/14/2004 9:28:35 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: JeffAtlanta
Doesn't matter - it was still law of the land. An ammendment made that decision moot.

Actually it matters quite a bit. You se the oveririding decision in Scott was that Taney and friends decided that the Constituion forced slavery onto Missouri when Missouri wanted to expand the rights of blacks. Sound familiar?

1,685 posted on 11/14/2004 9:29:04 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Gosh, you have recorded me too. It must be via those thingies being put into drugs now by the feds, or so Drudge tell us. God how I love this site, and those like you who make it lovable. LOL.


1,686 posted on 11/14/2004 9:31:08 PM PST by Torie
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To: JeffAtlanta
Trick question. Not at the expense of someone else's.

not a trick question, a simple one and you gave the wrong answer. States are free to expand rights for all, equally, no pig is more equal than the next pig. Simple.

Mom has a right to life and so does Junior, inside the womb or not.

1,687 posted on 11/14/2004 9:31:27 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Yes, I am located just south of those "Show Me" people.

They still have Arkansas mucked up from the Civil war split between the Northern and Southern parts of the state.

We have a yankee section to this day.

1,688 posted on 11/14/2004 9:32:17 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: Cold Heat
Look it up in the Hebrew.

You seem fairly intelligent, I am sure you can find the Hebrew meaning.

It will be the English equivalent of murder. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have told you it was.

You don't need me to do your research for you.

And BTW, it wasn't "what I determined", it was from proper research.

It has nothing to do with me or you.

1,689 posted on 11/14/2004 9:39:48 PM PST by Syncro
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To: A Jovial Cad; Vicomte13
CAN'T YOU READ!

At the top of the thread, the author is clearly stated. Freeper Vicomte13's name is in the same space that the author's name always appears. To further clarify I addressed the author in the first post, congratulating them on writing a great and IMO necessary article.

Just to be clear, I did not write the article, Freeper Vicomte13 did. Ask Vicomte13 your pressingly urgent question from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1279039/posts?page=1667#1667

"And while we're wrapping things up, let us note that you have yet to address my point: what kind of "Christian" uses language like "Screw us," especially in public for the whole world to see? None that I know of, for sure...but nice try at a dodge."
1,690 posted on 11/14/2004 9:43:57 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: jwalsh07
not a trick question, a simple one and you gave the wrong answer. States are free to expand rights for all, equally, no pig is more equal than the next pig. Simple.

Mom has a right to life and so does Junior, inside the womb or not.

Sure - its simple. Why worry about overturning Roe Vs Wade at all. The states can just extend of Junior. Roe V Wade is moot. Simple...

1,691 posted on 11/14/2004 9:45:39 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

Right, whatever you say.


1,692 posted on 11/14/2004 9:49:56 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Right, whatever you say.

Seriously, why do you want Roe V Wade overturned? According to your previous post, individual states can extend individual freedoms to the unborn. This is what I gathered from your post.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this. I am only trying to understand your post. :-)
1,693 posted on 11/14/2004 9:53:31 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Syncro
Look man, I appreciate it, but I have issues with these translations. I bought into this once before and got burned.

For example, a word in Hebrew cannot possibly mean the exact same thing as a word coined in English many hundreds or even a couple thousands of years apart.

Although I understand the argument, don't ask me to buy it hook line and sinker. I cannot imagine words like these to be identical in meaning. And close gets you no cigars when dealing with religion.

These translation bots and what not for religious text give you the closest word in English. The precise definition always varies and Hebrew is not the most descriptive of language.

That word may very well mean kill without permission, or without blessings of the elder which is a far cry from murder in the legal sense.

It is this sort of thing that really gets me going. So best to leave it be for this topic.

I am a FReeper! :-)(am am naturally divisive and impossible)And, it is late.

1,694 posted on 11/14/2004 9:57:05 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: JeffAtlanta
Like Dred Scott, Roe v Wade is a garbage opinion, no matter which side of the political spectrum you stand on. For that reason alone, you should want it overturned. It has no basis in the Constitution and is based on a lie.

Don't believ me, ask Norma McCorvey and any number of liberal legal scholars. Hell, ask Torie.

I personally want it overturned because I believe unborn babies are entitled to the right to life and because courts taking making new law out of whole cloth simply poisons the public square resulting in enmity and culture wars. Inevitably, the animus rises when activist courts make bad law based o their own mores, or sometimes Europes, rather than letting the matters be decided where they should be, in the public square and thorugh our elected representatives.

The mechanism to overtunr bad law is two fold, either through a strong Cngress or by states expanding rights and testing those rights in SCOTUS while moving public opinio away from idiotic opinions like Roe.

Its all happening and sooer or later you'll say, uhhuh.

1,695 posted on 11/14/2004 10:02:26 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: A Jovial Cad
Since you state that you are a Christian, great.
Then you act so offended and self righteous about the phrase "Screw us,"

I must ask, why do you use such unchristian and uncharitable language such as: "LOL...go cry somewhere else, troll loser." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1277986/posts?page=62#62

Or how about this phrase: "What a cesspool of loons. They simply cannot fathom what hit them last Tuesday: the voice & votes of Real America." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1274855/posts?page=79#79 Again, not very charitable! A "real" Christian might say that's not being very Christlike.

"Put the scummy DUmmies on suicide watch! Their moaning and groaning is causing me a great deal of satisfaction this glorious morning..." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1268840/posts?page=25#25 Wonderful, A Jovial Cad, that's real righteous and Christlike


Get off your high horse and stop whining.

I can't believe I just wasted my time on this post.

1,696 posted on 11/14/2004 10:03:28 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

LOL


1,697 posted on 11/14/2004 10:04:44 PM PST by Syncro
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To: cpforlife.org
I can't beieve you spent that much time proving his point.

So now you can attack me if you like. It seems to make you feel better.

Knock yourself out!

I cuss like a sailor!

1,698 posted on 11/14/2004 10:08:13 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: JeffAtlanta
why do you want Roe V Wade overturned?

I will tell you why I think why. Because it was unprincipled - an abuse of judicial power - judicial overreach - a manufacturing of one right out of thin air which trumps another, the another being a right with considerably more settled tradition as one which the states had a right to protect as they saw fit. And because it of course has poisoned the public square, poisoned the process of selecting and confirming judicial nominees, deflected us from fairly considering other important issues because we are imprisoned by the judicial overreach, and now are each emblazoned with a scarlet letter on our chest, one way or the other, and thus the decision, Roe v Wade, from a public policy standpoint, has proven a disaster, no matter what you view, or how you cut it. What is so horrible about thrashing this issue out at the ballot box?

What is so noble about the toxic penumbra of this abuse of judicial power, this pall, this traducing of the democratic spirit, and enervating of the American spirit? It's evil, period, in its practical effect. About that, this aging man can bear witness.

1,699 posted on 11/14/2004 10:10:00 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
You forgot the part about all the federalized crimes that have come about since.

Since Roe, the States have lost more than I ever thought possible.

They tried to fix something they saw as broken.

One thing certain, if it is repealed, we will find out if it was indeed broken or not.

1,700 posted on 11/14/2004 10:16:25 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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