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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

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To: Tantumergo
On the basis of your logic, then, your government should de-criminalise armed robbery because people will continue to do it whether it is against the law or not.

Don't be ridiculous.
Armed robbery is against the law..
But people still do it..
And THAT is my point..

Don't try that stupid word substitution crap on me..
I've played that game for a long time, and it won't work.

161 posted on 11/13/2004 8:30:14 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Elkiejg
Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important

Our Survival is in God's hands not ours.

Our Annihilation as a Nation for the abomination of child sacrifice is in God's hands too.

Every day that we continue to perpetrate the abortion slaughter is like a 9/11 attack against God. That's every single day! We should fear God far more than we fear Bin Laden.

162 posted on 11/13/2004 8:30:41 AM PST by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: Drammach

"And I will not force a victim of rape or incest (which is almost always,also rape) to go through 9 months of forced torture simply for the sake of the child. (especially in the case of incest, where often the mother is still a child herself )"

Pregnancy is not torture, abortion is both torture and murder. You would compound the crime? Have you neither love of life or of God?


163 posted on 11/13/2004 8:31:01 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Considering the very short life span of aborted babies, I beg to differ with you.


164 posted on 11/13/2004 8:31:35 AM PST by TAdams8591 (BORK SPECTER!!!)
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To: Drammach; Tantumergo

Don't be ridiculous.
Abortion WAS against the law..
But people still did it..
And THAT is my point.. (Uh, what point was that again?)


165 posted on 11/13/2004 8:32:25 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: cynicom; Vicomte13

"This needs to be put on the desk of George Bush. Specter is his man, now let Bush take care of the loser."

AMEN!! And I think it just could be.


166 posted on 11/13/2004 8:35:14 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

Ooooooo....don't tell Howlin about this thread...!


167 posted on 11/13/2004 8:35:17 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: narses
I have no love for Specter..
I would love to see him ousted from the senate, not just the judicial committee..
Remember "scottish law" ?
Remember the "single bullet theory" ?

Go look at your microwave..
It's good for popcorn, and heating up chile..
It does it real fast.

The world is not a microwave, and you have to stop thinking you can have everything you want, NOW..
Grow up..
Some things take time, and you cannot change the attitudes of 300 million people just because YOU want it NOW..

168 posted on 11/13/2004 8:37:00 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

Telling your allies "Grow Up" is a poor tactic. As for things taking time, since 1973 more than 40,000,000 children have been slaughtered. 4,000 or more will die TODAY. I've waited, I've worked and I will keep working until this crime stops.


169 posted on 11/13/2004 8:39:47 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: cpforlife.org
I would love to see a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution pass. But it's not realistically possible.

Let me ask you this - do you think that it's not realistically possible to expect a Republican Congress to even introduce a resolution proposing a Human Life Amendment and to have a debate and an up or down vote on the resolution? Is it really too early to even start a legistlative dialogue on the issue of abortion?

Abortion is an important issue to a lot of people. Roe v. Wade has stifled meaningful, comprehensive debate on the issue of abortion. People who feel strongly about this issue are not going to feel that our system provides legitimate political mechanisms for change if they cannot even be heard to debate the issue in our legislative chambers.

Isn't there anyone in the Congressional leadership who is even willing to introduce a resolution proposing a Human Life Amendment?

I am aware that Congress has power to regulate the jurisdiction of federal courts, but abortions cannot be prevented by a total absence of any future court decisions.

The mistake of Roe v. Wade was that it removed abortion from our ordinary political processes. Win or lose, people have a right to a political debate on this issue. Why wouldn't the introduction of a resolution proposing a Human Life Amendment be a good way to reintroduce abortion to our political process?

170 posted on 11/13/2004 8:40:37 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Drammach

The real question for you and the GOP is do you want me (and millions like me) to work with you or against you. Fail to make progress on this issue and you will lose some of us. Reverse course and we leave, en masse. Fact, not threat.


171 posted on 11/13/2004 8:41:39 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses
You would compound the crime?

You are the perfect example of "extremist"..

You would force the victim of a rape to re-live that act every day of her life, for 9 months..
Force her to be raped, mentally, for 270 days straight..
To satisfy Your Moral Conscience..

How sorry is that ?

172 posted on 11/13/2004 8:41:43 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

"Don't try that stupid word substitution crap on me..
I've played that game for a long time, and it won't work."

Judging by the strength of your reaction, it obviously did work. The fallaciousness of your logic cannot be used to justify keeping abortion legal as the same logic can be used to justify legalising all other crime.

The fact that people will continue to commit criminal acts anyway, is never a justification for legalising those acts.


173 posted on 11/13/2004 8:41:59 AM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Drammach
I think the problem with activists on either side of any issue is a sort of tunnel vision coupled with the urge to effect change immediately. It doesn't work that way in this country. We simply cannot force change. It takes time to build a power base. You have to go out there and change hearts and minds. You have to make POSITIVE as well as persuasive arguements. It's no different than the Dems calling Bush voters stupid or unenlightened, or whatever. That type of negativity causes resentment and turns off the voters you need who are more in the center.
174 posted on 11/13/2004 8:42:40 AM PST by buddyholly
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To: narses
Don't be ridiculous.
Abortion WAS against the law..
But people still did it..
And THAT is my point.. (Uh, what point was that again?)

ROFLMAO !!!
And you just proved MY POINT !!!

175 posted on 11/13/2004 8:43:35 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Lurking2Long

Please NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

LOL


176 posted on 11/13/2004 8:45:08 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Drammach

Aha, so we agree. The law, as such, will not stop all evil. Answer this, how many abortion would be performed daily if the law made it a crime? The same as now? More? Less?

BTW, what you've "proved" is that laws do not stop all evil. No one suggests that they do. You, otoh, imply that making EVIL legal is good policy.


177 posted on 11/13/2004 8:45:39 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Drammach
You would force the victim of a rape to re-live that act every day of her life, for 9 months.. Force her to be raped, mentally, for 270 days straight.. To satisfy Your Moral Conscience..

No, we should execute the child for the crimes of its father simply to satisfy yours...

178 posted on 11/13/2004 8:45:41 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Drammach
ou would force the victim of a rape to re-live that act every day of her life, for 9 months.. Force her to be raped, mentally, for 270 days straight.. To satisfy Your Moral Conscience..

You would allow the murder of an child whose only crime is existance to satisfy your lack of a moral conscience, how sorry is that?

179 posted on 11/13/2004 8:46:34 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: cpforlife.org
I agree with what you said, but I disagree with how you said it. Threats are a really nasty power play against people you don't like or trust. Most republicans are on OUR side. I disagree with a nasty approach until all other routes have been explored. The new congress hasn't even been sworn in yet, and you don't know what they are going to do. Urging them is one thing, threats are quite another.

I am VERY pro-life, but my reaction to a threat would be anger, and disgust at the lack of trust.

These public displays tend to do more damage than good and give our guys less room to manuver.

180 posted on 11/13/2004 8:46:52 AM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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