Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
Be careful what you wish for. If the DLC goes Pro-Life, many Catholic voters will walk out on the anti-Catholic bigots in the GOP. We still remember James Blaine and the horrid bigotry of that era. The FDR/JFK/LBJ socialists are dying off. The Dem's have to change. If they can get their act together, the GOP could lose and big. The reality is either the GOP and GW will keep their word or they won't. If they lied to us, they lose us. It isn't a tough process, keep your word, keep your base.
Well, it wasn't this jerkoff. If you want to avoid this sort of ugliness in the future, maybe bookmarking posts with one-word cheap shots (seemingly) directed at other posters is a practice you should abandon. Unless you enjoy this.
Get a grip on your emotions. .
This isn't "ugliness", its just everyday FR.
If you can't stand the backroom heat feel free to leave.
"Giggle"
The sounds of laughter fading out in the distance as the theme song from "Shaft" is playing.
Sorry, but I could not resist.
How is a GOP shaft, like the vocal few here seem to argue for, any better?
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Wait, you screamed bloody murder when I asked if you, like T. Paine, were an atheist. Who are you to lecture about 'heat'?
Boy, don't I wish! They're be a lot more bandwidth around here.
The RNC does not belong to the Anti-abortion faction, and does not pander to it.
They try to enact the desires and wishes of Christians and Jews everywhere, but do not pander to them.
You can't use the party platform as a promise either. That has been tried dozens of times before. It never works and the platform document is just a opportunity to set direction, not policy promises.
Nobody lied, but if you want to think that go ahead. But, you will not find many to agree with you.
If the GOP fails to keep it's word on abortion, it will be a minority party again. For many of us, the major difference between the parties has been LIFE and related moral issues. Betray us and we will bolt. No stock dividen exclusion, no tax break comes close to LIFE as an issue. Either accept that or test it. But let me assure you, you 'test it' at the peril of governance. So, if the rest of the GOP platform is important to you, make certain you do not embrace the betrayal of that which is important to so many like me.
"Nobody in the RNC or anywhere in the party, that I am aware of, is anti-Catholic ..."
LOL, have you forgotten Bob Jones University? You are as ignorant of this issue as you are of so many others.
Do you know who James Blaine was?
For the record, I didn't report the comment either and in fact saw it in my comments but when reading the thread saw it had been pulled.
"Nobody lied, but if you want to think that go ahead. But, you will not find many to agree with you."
Some here have advocated they betray us. Others want us out. Here is the President:
McCAIN [to Bush]: Do you believe in the exemption, in the case of abortion, for rape, incest, and life of the mother?
BUSH: Yeah, I do.
McCain: [But you] support the pro-life plank [in the Republican Party platform]?
BUSH: I do.
McCAIN: So, in other words, your position is that you believe there’s an exemption for rape, incest and the life of the mother, but you want the platform that you’re supposed to be leading to have no exemption. Help me out there, will you?
BUSH: I will. The platform doesn’t talk about what specifically should be in the constitutional amendment. The platform speaks about a constitutional amendment. It doesn’t refer to how that constitutional amendment ought to be defined.
McCAIN: If you read the platform, it has no exceptions.
BUSH: John, I think we need to keep the platform the way it is. This is a pro-life party.
McCAIN: Then you are contradicting your platform.
Source: GOP Debate on the Larry King Show Feb 15, 2000
That was a "read my lips" moment. He earned my support then. If he wants to keep it, he needs to act as he has said he will. So must Senator Frist. It isn't subject to debate, either they meant it, or they didn't. If they did, and they act, they keep my vote. Lie, and they lose. Why is that hard for you to grasp?
Yes they have a pro-life segment, largely due to the need to get votes in the South.
But if they cut loose the portion of the base that is adamantly pro-choice, they would only have a 20% solid base to start the election off with, as opposed to 30%+. And, in the election, they would lose 30+percent of the remaining women's vote they now covet very closely.
It would be sudden death for them.
That may be. The choice is simple, either remain and act as a pro-life party, or not. If not, forget the Hispanic vote, forget the Catholic vote and assume that the evangelical vote will return to not voting. Gamble, if you want. But remember, you have to get your views accepted by the people, especially folks like me at the local, state and national conventions. Trust me, it won't be easy.
But if abortion staying unrestricted is the strategy you want to embrace, even at the risk of both secular power and your eternal soul -- you have free will,go for it. Just be prepared to pay the price.
Maybe, or maybe not. Your analytical skills haven't impressed me yet. If the DLC/DNC chooses to embrace the VALUES of the immigrant and Catholic vote in a meaningful way, they could lose the 2% of queers (who really have no where else to go) and regain their national party status.
But then as long as the GOP keeps the promise made by the President (BUSH: John, I think we need to keep the platform the way it is. This is a pro-life party.) and the Party Platform, it needn't worry, right?
Oops, sorry, you want the President to waffle on that, right?
You are quoting old stuff from the 2000 primary.
Not very up to date, are we?
I guess you should have supported some other candidate.
But there were none who you could trust. Kerry was not the ticket. So who?
My question is, how does one guarantee that RvW will be overturned? I don't believe either side will approve USSC judges who proclaim that they will impose either pro-life or pro-abortion views on the courts. We certainly all can agree (I hope!) that we expect President Bush to nominate, and Congress to approve (assuming they can get the Dem support necessary) conservative judges who are strict constructionists.
However, the USSC is not subject to political pressure, and so can't actually be forced to do anything.
What more do you expect the President to do?
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