Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
"We humans have a gestation period of 9 months."
Are you suggesting that this baby girl was not human?
Take a close look at the picture in post 73. Infants her age are born alive and survive every week. She was murdered.
But according to German law under the Nazis we would NOT be empowered to stop it with lethal force. It was all so legal and the Nazis tried to make the extermination as legal, clean and efficient as possible so as not to offend the sensitivities of the citizenry. Much like abortion in the U.S. today.
Here is some good reading...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1278814/posts
No offense, but single issue voters do not impress me. Threats do not impress me either. The republican party is bigger than one issue. Most of us agree with you on the issue of abortion, but staying home on election day because you are not being pandered to sounds an awful lot like a liberal's frame of mind. It takes time to change laws in this country. You don't start an effective movement by threatening to desert the only allies you have. Just ask the gay marriage supporters.
AMEN well said......
| Life begins at conception—NOT birth. Birth is one day in the life of a person who is already nine months old. |
Dear Skywalk,
I certainly support the criminalization of committing the crime of abortion. It is murder for hire. Abortionists are serial- and mass-murderers. Although I am reluctant to prescribe the death penalty in general, for these, it is the appropriate punishment. I wholly endorse laws that prescribe, in every case without exception, execution for those who regularly perform abortions.
But there is a difference between public application of law and private action in lieu of law. One is justice, the other is vigilantism. I generally oppose vigilantism. I do believe in trying to change unjust laws, to make them more just. We have a political system that permits this.
Germany under the Nazis did not have such a political system.
To suggest that we pro-lifers, to be consistent, must go out and become vigilantes is to elide over several issues. As long as the potential for peaceful change is available in our country, we may not justly take arms against the law.
There were once laws that, as interpreted, permitted white men to kill black "property," usually with complete impunity. Nonetheless, this horror did not provide license to seek private retribution against the killers, or against those who, in law, protected them.
As long as we have a political system which permits peaceful change, we may not legitimately act as vigilantes, as to do so would be to become revolutionaries. If we were, in large numbers, to resort to violence, it would mean two things: First, that we had rejected the legitimacy of the American state; second, that America would become engaged again in civil war.
Failing to accept the delegitimation of the American state and wishing to avoid civil war do not make pro-lifers inconsistent, only prudent, cautious, and rational. It is not our goal to replace one evil with another.
sitetest
"While I would encourage all to choose life, rather than abortion, I fail to see the wisdom of forcing anyone..
Just as prohibition did not work for alcohol, prohibition will not work for abortion.
People will do what they feel is right for them, whether it is against the law or not."
Let's see if your logic holds good when we substitute the words "armed robbery" for abortion:
"While I would encourage all to choose life, rather than ARMED ROBBERY, I fail to see the wisdom of forcing anyone..
Just as prohibition did not work for alcohol, prohibition will not work for ARMED ROBBERY.
People will do what they feel is right for them, whether it is against the law or not."
On the basis of your logic, then, your government should de-criminalise armed robbery because people will continue to do it whether it is against the law or not.
With this level of rationalisation, you may as well scrap all law - anarchy is the only system that holds good by your standards.
Me - "We humans have a gestation period of 9 months."
You - Are you suggesting that this baby girl was not human? rant rant rant.
All I did was state a biological fact in response to an apparently incorrect factual assertion on your part. Period.
This needs to be put on the desk of George Bush. Specter is his man, now let Bush take care of the loser.
"Those who hold the reins of government should not forget that it is the duty of public authority ... to defend the lives of the innocent ... among whom we must mention in the first place infants hidden in the mother's womb. And if the public magistrates ... do not defend them, but by their laws and ordinances betray them to death at the hands of doctors and others, let them remember that God is the Judge and Avenger of innocent blood which cries from earth to heaven" (Pope Pius XI Casti Connubii No. 67, Dec. 31, 1930).
Converting America to Islam will effectively solve the abortion issue, and as a side effect, it will also take care of the pesky homosexual agenda issue.
There are many important issues in our day and age, all intricately woven together.
The moral fabric of America is far more important an issue than abortion, with the proper morality in place, abortion would not be an issue.
Malachi 3:2
But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
What would this ammendment say? How would it be enforced?
remember that the Constitution as it currently stands is a procedural document. It merely sets forth powers and processes for getting things done. It is not a criminal code and the last time we tried to make it such - prohibition, it blew up in everyone's face and we ended up with the wanted good being supplied by the mafia (a lesson I would suggest everyone here contemplate). It is one of the more embarrassing moments in our constitutional history.
This is the best argument I can think of for discarding the system.
Dear AndyJackson,
Tantumergo, by making reference to 24 weeks, was referring to a photograph of an aborted baby girl, aborted at 24 weeks, in post #73. Had you actually read his post, and referred to post #73, as he suggested, you would have realized this.
You weren't paying attention, and I suppose that you thus thought that Tantumergo was referring to the period of human gestation, giving rise to your irrelevant comment.
The balderdash isn't emanating from Tantumergo.
sitetest
Well said..
Pro-Life extremists fail to recognize the strides that have been made for life..
A man was just found guilty of 2 murders yesterday.
One of his wife, and one of his unborn son.
There is recognition of the life issue in the courts, and we see it every time an unborn child's life is taken in an act of violence, neglect, or other criminal behaviours.
Those criminals are now, in most states going to be charged with the death of the unborn infant.
That was not the case as little as 10 years ago..
The Pro-Life movement should be rejoicing at the amount of progress that has been made..
Given time, and more legal precedent, it will become accepted moral and legal doctrine.
Once the general public recognizes and supports that doctrine, attitudes will change, and the realization that abortion is a relevent adjunct to that legal precedent will also take place.
Public attitude toward abortion will change as well.
Since I responded to someone who wants to emphasize the war on terrorism, I think that was my point.
Public attitude is changing. Pro-life activists recognize that. Does the GOP? The time is NOW to stand up, not 10 years ago, not at some date in the future. NOW. The problem is that the pro-abortion lobby INSIDE the GOP is still trying to save the abortion kills from their just deserts. Ask Specter.
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