Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
So you support the Clinton position on abortion, you support Roe -v- Wade, did you support the Impeachment of the former President or did you feel he was treated unfairly?
Clearly. Since he is now an out of the closet supporter of ABORTION OD DEMAND he now worries that his welcome at a "pro-God, pro-life, pro-family" website might be wearing thin.
Yes, actually I do agree with that opinion.
Yours is a fringe view on FR and in the Republican Party.
And, like Clinton, you mouth those lying words while in practice defending abortion in ALL its heinous forms.
'Rare' my *ss.
"How would the pro-life group feel about armies killing pregnant women and infants?"
Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden, .......
"The military's purpose, as Rush likes to say, is to kill people and break things. We do so in defense of the Constitution, not individuals. But thanks for playing."
And you claim that keeping abortion on demand legal is "in defense of the Constitution, not individuals", right? So killing babies to protect the Constitution, you can live with that? 4,000 dead babies TODAY. You can live with that, right?
I think most people, at least theoretically, object to abortion being used as birth control, and most people object very strongly to abortion after the first trimester.
I think, however, that if it were put to a vote, most people would vote to keep abortion legal in the first trimester, because they would not want to make that choice for other people. I also think it would be difficult to have abortion banned for reasons of rape, incest, and (actual) health of the mother.
I have stated more than once, that it was bad law.
But, we have much bad law that remains law. It will not be overturned in it's entirety anytime soon. It may never be overturned, but it is not the cause of abortions.
Do you support the repeal of Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton?
Do you support the repeal of Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton?
You need better glasses.
My view is by no means fringe.
As for Hack, ask him about posting rules. He likes to violate those himself, by way of a display of a simultaneous show of anatomical knowledge and the English language.
On FR, the view that abortion should remain legal is most definitely fringe. Not entirely unsupported, but fringe all the same.
It will be if the RINOs that defend it are crushed politically.
Conservatives are more informed than ever.
If RINOs have any sense left at all, they will be looking over their shoulders, politically.
I have issues with some of it, but I support no repeals of any kind by activist courts on any side at any time in any place for any reason.
Abortion a Leading Cause of Increase in Conservative Values and Voting Power
(LifeSiteNews.com) WASHINGTON, Friday's Life Issues Forum, a United States Conference of Catholic Bishops column by Cathy Cleaver Ruse, examines the "Roe effect" - a term coined by Wall Street Journal reporter James Taranto to describe the effect that abortion has had on voting.
The Roe effect says that, because liberals are much more likely to abort their children than conservatives, a very significant shift in values and voting trends is occurring in society. In other words, the 40 million U.S. young people who have been killed since abortion was legalized there in 1973 would likely have espoused the values of their parents, and voted in a similar manner. Thus there has been a relative increase in the number of conservative voters due to attrition of liberals by abortion.
Ruse refers to Larry Eastland who discussed the Roe Effect in an American Spectator article, who estimated that the 2000 presidential election saw a shortfall of 13 million voters as a result of abortion. That number has jumped to 19 million for the November election.
"But can we know how they would have voted?" Ruse asks. "No, of course not. Still, as a general proposition, children tend to absorb the values of their parents, including their political views, and tend to develop the same lifestyle as their family. So if pro-lifers beget pro-lifers, then pro-choicers beget pro-choicers -- unless they abort them instead."
Ruse also points out the results of a recent Wirthlin Worldwide survey that found, "of the Americans who call themselves politically 'conservative,' 25% are having abortions. In contrast, 40% of self-described political 'liberals' are having abortions."
Ruse concludes with a quote from Eastland: "Liberals have been remarkably blind to the fact that every day the abortions they advocate dramatically decrease their power to do so."
Read Friday's Life Issues Forum:
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/publicat/lifeissues/092404.htm
(c) Copyright: LifeSite Daily News
Source: LifeSiteNews.com
Publish Date: September 28, 2004
Online at: http://ifrl.org/IFRLDailyNews/040929/3
Yes or no, do you support the repeal of Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton?
Of course you know, later in this thread, that statement will be repeated (sans the last word) and presented as a pro-life terrorist threat.
I don't blame them for being upset, and I think Specter was totally out of line in what he said.
I actually don't think that either the left or right should be imposing litmus tests, other than strict constructionism rather than legislating from the bench.
My personal opinion - and what got me involved in the thread to start with - was that removing oneself from the political process doesn't help one accomplish anything.
Personally, now the the GOP is totally in charge, I'd like to see Social Security & medicare eliminated, along with the income tax - but I don't see it happening, for practical and political reasons. And I'm not going to quit voting if it doesn't, but I want to see some progress.
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