Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
So you support the Clinton position on abortion, you support Roe -v- Wade, did you support the Impeachment of the former President or did you feel he was treated unfairly?
Clearly. Since he is now an out of the closet supporter of ABORTION OD DEMAND he now worries that his welcome at a "pro-God, pro-life, pro-family" website might be wearing thin.
Yes, actually I do agree with that opinion.
Yours is a fringe view on FR and in the Republican Party.
And, like Clinton, you mouth those lying words while in practice defending abortion in ALL its heinous forms.
'Rare' my *ss.
"How would the pro-life group feel about armies killing pregnant women and infants?"
Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden, .......
"The military's purpose, as Rush likes to say, is to kill people and break things. We do so in defense of the Constitution, not individuals. But thanks for playing."
And you claim that keeping abortion on demand legal is "in defense of the Constitution, not individuals", right? So killing babies to protect the Constitution, you can live with that? 4,000 dead babies TODAY. You can live with that, right?
I think most people, at least theoretically, object to abortion being used as birth control, and most people object very strongly to abortion after the first trimester.
I think, however, that if it were put to a vote, most people would vote to keep abortion legal in the first trimester, because they would not want to make that choice for other people. I also think it would be difficult to have abortion banned for reasons of rape, incest, and (actual) health of the mother.
I have stated more than once, that it was bad law.
But, we have much bad law that remains law. It will not be overturned in it's entirety anytime soon. It may never be overturned, but it is not the cause of abortions.
Do you support the repeal of Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton?
Do you support the repeal of Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton?
You need better glasses.
My view is by no means fringe.
As for Hack, ask him about posting rules. He likes to violate those himself, by way of a display of a simultaneous show of anatomical knowledge and the English language.
On FR, the view that abortion should remain legal is most definitely fringe. Not entirely unsupported, but fringe all the same.
It will be if the RINOs that defend it are crushed politically.
Conservatives are more informed than ever.
If RINOs have any sense left at all, they will be looking over their shoulders, politically.
I have issues with some of it, but I support no repeals of any kind by activist courts on any side at any time in any place for any reason.
Abortion a Leading Cause of Increase in Conservative Values and Voting Power
(LifeSiteNews.com) WASHINGTON, Friday's Life Issues Forum, a United States Conference of Catholic Bishops column by Cathy Cleaver Ruse, examines the "Roe effect" - a term coined by Wall Street Journal reporter James Taranto to describe the effect that abortion has had on voting.
The Roe effect says that, because liberals are much more likely to abort their children than conservatives, a very significant shift in values and voting trends is occurring in society. In other words, the 40 million U.S. young people who have been killed since abortion was legalized there in 1973 would likely have espoused the values of their parents, and voted in a similar manner. Thus there has been a relative increase in the number of conservative voters due to attrition of liberals by abortion.
Ruse refers to Larry Eastland who discussed the Roe Effect in an American Spectator article, who estimated that the 2000 presidential election saw a shortfall of 13 million voters as a result of abortion. That number has jumped to 19 million for the November election.
"But can we know how they would have voted?" Ruse asks. "No, of course not. Still, as a general proposition, children tend to absorb the values of their parents, including their political views, and tend to develop the same lifestyle as their family. So if pro-lifers beget pro-lifers, then pro-choicers beget pro-choicers -- unless they abort them instead."
Ruse also points out the results of a recent Wirthlin Worldwide survey that found, "of the Americans who call themselves politically 'conservative,' 25% are having abortions. In contrast, 40% of self-described political 'liberals' are having abortions."
Ruse concludes with a quote from Eastland: "Liberals have been remarkably blind to the fact that every day the abortions they advocate dramatically decrease their power to do so."
Read Friday's Life Issues Forum:
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/publicat/lifeissues/092404.htm
(c) Copyright: LifeSite Daily News
Source: LifeSiteNews.com
Publish Date: September 28, 2004
Online at: http://ifrl.org/IFRLDailyNews/040929/3
Yes or no, do you support the repeal of Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton?
Of course you know, later in this thread, that statement will be repeated (sans the last word) and presented as a pro-life terrorist threat.
I don't blame them for being upset, and I think Specter was totally out of line in what he said.
I actually don't think that either the left or right should be imposing litmus tests, other than strict constructionism rather than legislating from the bench.
My personal opinion - and what got me involved in the thread to start with - was that removing oneself from the political process doesn't help one accomplish anything.
Personally, now the the GOP is totally in charge, I'd like to see Social Security & medicare eliminated, along with the income tax - but I don't see it happening, for practical and political reasons. And I'm not going to quit voting if it doesn't, but I want to see some progress.
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