Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
"You want judges who legislate from the bench to "teach"."
The LAW refers to legislation. The current, ugly state of 4,000 dead babies a day was NEVER legislated. It was IMPOSED by fiat. Undoing that FIAT is not the same as 'judicial activism'. Undoing it would return to the PEOPLE their own sovereignity and allow us to teach and be taught via the process of MAKING LAW.
Your erroneous conclusions notwithstanding, to claim that you can define someone as you tried to do by one phrase you misinterpret (either on purpose or out of ignorance) speaks volumes about who you really are.
"I can give you quotes where Bush has said the platform is not what he believes."
Go ahead. Please. Expose the President as a liar, if you can. Go right ahead, or eat your own words.
Dear Cold Heat,
"With this one single statement, you have exposed your true feelings.
"You want judges who legislate from the bench to 'teach'."
Nope, not at all. Just recognizing reality. I don't understand it, but it is what it is.
"Therefore, you are essentially saying the same things the liberals offer, but on the other side of the issue."
No, try again. ;-)
I want the issue decided by the people through their elected representatives. I merely want the court to take its cold dead demonic hand off the issue.
Reversing Roe doesn't guarantee good law on abortion.
All it guarantees is that the people get to choose their own laws through their elected representatives.
Can you see the difference?
"Both are just as incorrect and dangerous to the republic.
"Both are massaging the constitution to affect social changes."
Three strikes and you're out! Don't worry, you'll get another at-bat. But try to keep your eye on the ball, next time. ;-)
I'm looking for a reversal of Roe, not an edict from the courts banning abortion. As tempting as that would be, I prefer NOT to have the Supreme Court ban abortion. It would lead to the same troubles we have now.
I'd much, much prefer to undo Roe, and then consolidate legal restrictions of abortion through law, effected through legislative methods, by folks who are subjected to the political process.
I'd also like those legal protections ultimately enshrined in a Constitutional Amendment. In our country, it isn't very easy to achieve that, and the process pretty much makes it difficult to achieve without a broad level of support.
That's a bit different from what the pro-murder folks did.
sitetest
Long Cut claims that this thread includes, among other things, the following:
"We are presented with arguments which actually support, in principle, those who murder abortion providers, blow up clinics, and generally behave in as depraved a manner as is attributed to their victims."
OK Long Cut, PUT UP or SHUT UP. Show where anyone on this thread support the murder of abortionists. Go ahead. Or are you just playing to your frineds with your polemics?
Really? Maybe you can help him support his claims that this thread has supported the killing of abortionists. Can you?
You're a pretty talented kinda guy, even if your rhetoric towards pro-lifers is loaded with innaccuracies and unfairness.
Why don't you turn those skills to the job of keeping Specter out of the committee chairmanship?
Be selfless. Do it for the babies.
It is you who uses a false premise to justify another false assumption.
Some pundits refer to the anti-abortion right as the Taliban wing of the party. I took offense to that statement when I first heard it, but after reading the commentary on this thread, I find it to possibly be absolutely true.
LOL!, I cannot help but be amused at the contorted, distorted logic I see represented here.
But, carry on! It is quite revealing to those who perhaps wondered about it.
"It is you who uses a false premise to justify another false assumption."
Really? Please point that error out. It would be a kindness.
As for your comparing me to the Taliban, can you justify that? Or is it just the heat of the moment?
Posts # 156, 243, 251, 260, 298, 400, 415, and 450 (and this is BY NO MEANS comprehensive) offer a cornucopia of quotes which further prove the extremism involved here.
Dear narses,
"OK Long Cut, PUT UP or SHUT UP. Show where anyone on this thread support the murder of abortionists. Go ahead. Or are you just playing to your frineds with your polemics?"
Uh, actually, when we were presented with that sort of cr*p, some of us explained why it is not inconsistent for us to disdain those methods and measures.
I refer you to my own post #148.
The funny thing is, we get accused of wanting to kill abortionists & such, and then accused of being inconsistent when we denounce such means.
LOL.
sitetest
Do you want Roe v Wade overturned or not?
The first volley was the "word salad" jab. So technically, yes, I did.
Thank you for your precise analysis. The Press will (and already has) jumped on this as proof that the religious right will try to control the Party. Leave it to the Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. WE MUST NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. We must be as vocal as they are.
Not that I follow YOUR commands, pal, but post # 260 is a good place to start. Most of that poster's mesasages contained the same temper.
To: Amelia"...saying they are covered with blood because they disagree with me on tactics..."
Where was that done? If you are referring to my post, you grossly misrepresent what I said.
1,268 posted on 11/14/2004 12:33:09 PM EST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
To: HowlinSo rather than admit your lies and insults are in error, you simply say "go away". Sorry, if you post lies, I'll point them out. If you defend killing babies (even to extend other lives) I'll point out the blood running down your arms into your keyboard. As for your faction in the GOP, well, you earn your rewards as you call Catholic thinking "reprehensible", you reap what you sow when you call allies "nutjobs" and when you sip from the cup filled with the blood of innocent children, you earn eternal hellfire.
I don't think so, but the everyone can make up their own minds.
Standard issue talking point (see DU for further evidence of this). Most definitely not heat of the moment.
Posts # 156, 243, 251, 260, 298, 400, 415, and 450
Here they are:
To: All
Abortion is the primary sign that democratic government is a sham, all those that have posted to the effect it won't happen in our current political climate are unfortunately correct.
This is the best argument I can think of for discarding the system.
156 posted on 11/13/2004 8:22:29 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
To: JeffAtlanta
Pro-life is the only reason I voted for Bush or any Republican, I agree with them on virtually nothing else.
243 posted on 11/13/2004 9:18:00 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
To: Howlin
Abortion was NOT the key issue in this election.
Abortion is the key issue in every national election in this day in which we live.
As it should be. The uncomparably hard-hearted killing off of an entire generation of Americans is the central moral question of our day.
The protection of innocent human life is the center pole of the Republican 'big tent'. Try to kick it out if you will, but the tent will forever lie flat on the ground if you succeed, useless.
251 posted on 11/13/2004 9:21:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance
To: MindBender26
Abortion is a critically important issue. Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!
We have the guns to defend ourselves. If those we elect don't defend us, we can take it into our own hands.
Babies don't have guns. Defend them today against the terrorists that have been reigning for 30 years within our own country!
260 posted on 11/13/2004 9:26:24 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
To: Howlin
I am perfectly capapble of thinking more than one thing at one time, a concept that is no doubt foreign to myopic voters.
Combatting evil is priority #1.
Abortion is more evil than Saddams torture chambers (which was extremely evil by the way). The reason Bush is in Iraq is two words "combatting evil". He will combat the evil of abortion.
Moving in with my folks for a while because the economy takes a dip holds no concern for us compared to EVIL.
If the GOP misses this one be prepard to move in with your folks!
298 posted on 11/13/2004 9:43:37 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
To: ScholarWarrior
The position you take is much farther than overturning Roe v. Wade.
It means that an IUD is murder. And the day-after pill is murder. Right?
Yes, absolutely.. now you are getting it. Abortion is a symptom of the culture of death that includes fetal stem cell research (killing babies for medical experimentation, paging Dr. Menegele), homosexual marriage (unions whose purpose is hedonistic not procreative), birth control (pregnency is a disease that needs to be treated and an evil to be avoided) You cannot attack abortion in a vacumn, its a useless as taking aspirin for cancer. The only answer is a repudiation of the whole cultural nihilism that underlies abortion, euthanasia and birth control and an unconditional reverence for life. : Evangelium vitae
400 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:59 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
To: ApesForEvolution
Of course no one advocates that, but of course, you are very wise..
Even a cursory review of history reveals the consequences when a large and committed group of people are denied peaceful means of participation. You get one of two things ,depending on the size of the group involved, - revolution and/or terrorism.
Its already occurred on a small scale, intermittedly. I dare say if enough committed people feel they can no longer affect positive change thru the political process Islamic terrorists won't be the only ones making the nightly News.
415 posted on 11/13/2004 10:42:22 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
To: ScholarWarrior
Whoa there! And now you're talking revolution? Exit door is to the left!
Yes a member of the "crown crew" someone dubbed us - there are a handful of us on FR.
Every Western democracy has legalized birth control and abortion, several have legalized euthanasia, stem cell research and soon cloning. This to me further illustrates the moral depravity of democracies, built on the pride of original sin. They "eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil" by assigning no higher authority than the "will of the people". No Christian monarch would have ever allowed this ongoing atrocity, in fact more than a few of the "constitutional" monarchs have abdicated rather than assent to it in their lands - in their parliamentary systems they did not have the power to stop it.
St. Louis IX - most Christian King, pray for us.
450 posted on 11/13/2004 11:08:02 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
Well said.
This is an issue that does not belong in politics or the courts.
All this talk of judges who legislate from the bench is just what is being advocated.
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