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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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1,161 posted on 11/14/2004 1:10:39 AM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
He sure doesn't sound pro-life. He'll "abort" anyone who gets in the way of his daughters getting an abortion? Yeah, real pro-life. Just like Kerry, the altar boy is pro-life.
1,162 posted on 11/14/2004 1:10:54 AM PST by lara
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To: lara
Do you really believe that those that would outlaw ALL abortions were what gave Bush his victory? If you do then you are so wrong it is mind boggling. I am anti-abortion as a form of birth control but I am NOT against abortion for rape, incest OR life/health of the mother . I am glad you voted for GW but you have no more claim on his victory than those that voted for him on 2nd amendment issues, tax issues, defense issues, gay marriage issues or any other raft of issues that caused an individual to pull the lever for a GOP candidates.
1,163 posted on 11/14/2004 1:12:27 AM PST by Texasforever (I need a new tagline)
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To: CWOJackson
Right. People who think it's crazy to kill the pre-born.
1,164 posted on 11/14/2004 1:13:14 AM PST by lara
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To: lara
He sure doesn't sound pro-life. He'll "abort" anyone who gets in the way of his daughters getting an abortion? Yeah, real pro-life. Just like Kerry, the altar boy is pro-life.

In a heart beat.

1,165 posted on 11/14/2004 1:13:37 AM PST by Texasforever (I need a new tagline)
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To: lara; Texasforever

In other words, in your mind, someone who believes in the life of the mother/rape exceptions - as Tex described in his post - is "pro-abortion".

There are a lot of people like that. Are they your enemy?


1,166 posted on 11/14/2004 1:16:52 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: CWOJackson

Good night, Jackson. Another surreal thread on FR...


1,167 posted on 11/14/2004 1:17:56 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Texasforever

No one said that anyone's daughter would die from lack of an abortion. No one has ever suggested making it illegal to save life, only to take life. Self defense is part of the right to life, too.

Even under the "health problems" category of Guttmacher (the research arm of Planned Parenthood) these abortions are 3%. And the true number, would be even less, since many of these would not require a child to be killed, only that he or she be delivered.


1,168 posted on 11/14/2004 1:18:37 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: lara; Texasforever

I think he's referring to people like the ones whose heroes are those who shoot abortion doctors (and anyone else who happens to be nearby). We actually have a few of those here, as I learned on a jaw-dropping thread.

The remark that was made to Tex was uncalled for and inappropriate. If you want to grow the pro-life movement, it would be a good thing not to encourage that sort of treatment of those who agree with you on MOST things.


1,169 posted on 11/14/2004 1:21:24 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: hocndoc

Again, my friend, while I truly appreciate your very pertinent post, this crowd isn't interested in facts...only in trashing pro-lifers, all the while proclaiming how pro-life they are.


1,170 posted on 11/14/2004 1:21:40 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: CWOJackson

Spector did the polarizing, if any was done.

He should not have made comments on the type of judges to be nominated or voted on other than to say that he would work to get the President's nominees to the Senate floor for a vote.

He showed poor judgement and lack of restraint. We do not need him as Chair of such a vital committee.


1,171 posted on 11/14/2004 1:21:53 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: hocndoc
Then you have not read the thread. I posted to someone on this thread that did indeed reject ANY exception to abortion and then EV jumped in and accused me of killing kids. Now if you want to mediate then at least get the context right.
1,172 posted on 11/14/2004 1:22:11 AM PST by Texasforever (I need a new tagline)
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To: Texasforever
I never said we were the only reason he won. I said that without our votes, he would not have won. Yes, everyone added to his victory.

I just don't understand people who say they are pro-life, but then say, except for rape and incest. How is that baby any less a baby than a baby born of love? He or she is still a baby. It may be difficult for the mother, but it's only 9 months of her life compared to the 80 years the baby may enjoy.
1,173 posted on 11/14/2004 1:22:14 AM PST by lara
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To: EternalVigilance

EV, you make enemies of allies with crap like that.

Like I said, it's no wonder you lose everything you touch.


1,174 posted on 11/14/2004 1:22:59 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: lara
I said that without our votes, he would not have won.

Those that reject any exception to abortion are so small that you couldn't elect a dog catcher. Don't flatter yourselves.

1,175 posted on 11/14/2004 1:23:31 AM PST by Texasforever (I need a new tagline)
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To: Texasforever; hocndoc

Thank you, Tex. Exactly.


1,176 posted on 11/14/2004 1:23:48 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: lara
It may be difficult for the mother, but it's only 9 months of her life compared to the 80 years the baby may enjoy.

Really? What happens to the baby after 9 months?

1,177 posted on 11/14/2004 1:25:45 AM PST by Texasforever (I need a new tagline)
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To: Texasforever

If you don't want us as allies, why would you post in argument to the premise of this thread (that prolife voters would stay home if conservative judges are not appointed).


1,178 posted on 11/14/2004 1:25:53 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Texasforever

Exactly. (Again.)


1,179 posted on 11/14/2004 1:26:05 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: hocndoc
If you don't want us as allies, why would you post in argument to the premise of this thread (that prolife voters would stay home if conservative judges are not appointed).

Because I read the thread and it sickened me.

1,180 posted on 11/14/2004 1:28:29 AM PST by Texasforever (I need a new tagline)
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