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To: orionblamblam
Seek help yourself bud.

If you are going to accuse others of falsehood, then you need to correct your own falsehoods first.

You said:
Perhaps. Physics may support this. {the Spontaneous Generation of Matter} But no physics anywhere supports the Creationist views that life suddenly "poofed" into existence.

First of all, you are claiming that the first law of thermodynamics 'may' not be valid..you cannot prove that of course, it is just blind faith.

Second, neither creationists nor honest evolutionists claim that creationists believe 'matter' or 'life in the material universe' came into being "poof"...all on its own, as you insinuated.

The creationist claim (I will try to help you also) is that an intelligent God, (Spirit) created both the 'material' universe and life itself.

While the first law of thermodynamics disproves your faith (at least how your FAITH is leaning), it does not disprove the creationists.

You don't have to agree, but get it right if you can.

Keep preaching your faith in the mean time, because that is just what it is.

125 posted on 11/12/2004 11:18:38 AM PST by OriginalIntent (Clinton only fooled the ignorant and the lazy.)
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To: OriginalIntent

> you are claiming that the first law of thermodynamics 'may' not be valid..you cannot prove that of course, it is just blind faith.

Do you realize just how silly you sound? "Blind faith" in experimental test results that show a *possibility*? Come back to this discussion when you see me advocating deleting discsussion of the laws of thermodynamics from science books, as you would have doen with evolution.

> neither creationists nor honest evolutionists claim that creationists believe 'matter' or 'life in the material universe' came into being "poof"...all on its own, as you insinuated. The creationist claim (I will try to help you also) is that an intelligent God, (Spirit) created both the 'material' universe and life itself.

Yes... Poofism. God "poofed" everything into being. And you've got *SOOOO* much evidence for that (snicker...).

> While the first law of thermodynamics disproves your faith

No, it does not. The 1LT does not even remotely come close to negating the possibility of evolution. Claims of the laws of thermodynamics making evolution impossible are common Creationist lies. They have been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked, but y'all keep trotting that old canard out anyway. Keep up with the falsehoods, though... they are useful in exposing just how dishonest the Creationist worldview really is.


126 posted on 11/12/2004 11:26:45 AM PST by orionblamblam
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