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To: OriginalIntent

> you are claiming that the first law of thermodynamics 'may' not be valid..you cannot prove that of course, it is just blind faith.

Do you realize just how silly you sound? "Blind faith" in experimental test results that show a *possibility*? Come back to this discussion when you see me advocating deleting discsussion of the laws of thermodynamics from science books, as you would have doen with evolution.

> neither creationists nor honest evolutionists claim that creationists believe 'matter' or 'life in the material universe' came into being "poof"...all on its own, as you insinuated. The creationist claim (I will try to help you also) is that an intelligent God, (Spirit) created both the 'material' universe and life itself.

Yes... Poofism. God "poofed" everything into being. And you've got *SOOOO* much evidence for that (snicker...).

> While the first law of thermodynamics disproves your faith

No, it does not. The 1LT does not even remotely come close to negating the possibility of evolution. Claims of the laws of thermodynamics making evolution impossible are common Creationist lies. They have been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked, but y'all keep trotting that old canard out anyway. Keep up with the falsehoods, though... they are useful in exposing just how dishonest the Creationist worldview really is.


126 posted on 11/12/2004 11:26:45 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
Hey silly kid, read my post. You either purposely lied about what I wrote or you are not as smart as you try to pretend.

The first law says, (paraphrasing), that neither energy nor matter are being created nor destroyed.

So for your suggestion that energy or matter to get here by spontaneous generation is a real stretch, a leap of faith. You may also then have faith in the eternity of energy and matter in a useful form, but that would be another leap.

You are indeed a zealot, and are as condescending as they come.

If you are going to get cocky and talk like fool, at least get your facts straight.

I mentioned "only" the first law, and "only" applied it to show you that your leaning toward the "spontaneous generation of matter" defied the FIRST law of thermodynamics.

I did not make the claim you said I made that the first law of thermodynamics negates evolution. I said it means matter and energy did not just come into being...poof...like you think it might have.

If you are going to name-call and make false statements and get into another frenzy, at least get your 'guesses' correct, you do look silly indeed.

164 posted on 11/12/2004 1:18:52 PM PST by OriginalIntent (Clinton only fooled the ignorant and the lazy.)
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