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This is an extreme complication of matters in Iraq. The action Turkey intends to take will bring Turkish forces into direct military contact with US forces in the area, with their target being the Peshmerga - our allies in Northern Iraq.

The Peshmerga have been sending weapons into Turkey as of late, while Iran has been forging ties with both sides of the conflict. Officially, Iran has been much more visible in Turkey signing agreements with the government. Unofficially, the Iranians have been a major supplier to the al Qaida network that exists in Turkey - a network formed during the Bosnian war and maintained to send troops and supplies to Chechnya.

This could end up being a real mess. Basically, the continuing legacy of the Clinton administration's decisions in the area are once again coming home to roost - and are putting our forces in harm's way unneccessarily.

Following Turkey's refusal to allow us to use their frontier with Iraq during the initiation of the war, I can't see us doing anything to help them. Quite to the contrary, the Peshmerga have been extremely faithful allies in the Iraq war and we should stand behind them against Turkey. Allies come and go, and it looks like since Turkey is going to join the EU, we may yet be at war with an EU member in the near future.

Interesting times, indeed.

1 posted on 11/11/2004 3:43:19 PM PST by datura
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It sounds like an extortion attempt for more US $....Turkey would have too much to lose if they tried this.....we also still have an Air Force base still there.


38 posted on 11/11/2004 3:57:45 PM PST by mystery-ak (This military family thanks America for re-electing our CinC)
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PING Cause I'm curious as to your take on this...


39 posted on 11/11/2004 3:58:12 PM PST by Severa (I can't take this stress anymore...quick, get me a marker to sniff....)
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Absurd!
41 posted on 11/11/2004 3:59:37 PM PST by Gumption
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Turkey simply wants to expand the borders of Turkish Occupied Kurdistan (TOK) and make sure the Kurds never are able to unite and do what the Palestinians are trying to do, create their own nation.


44 posted on 11/11/2004 4:00:02 PM PST by Tacis (Kerry - You Can't Make A Silk Purse Out Of A Lazy, Lying, Elitist Scumbag!)
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They've been after this course of action for some time - they're concerned that "Kurdistan" is likely to include Turkish territory.

But they won't move on this one if they're smart. They had a window of opportunity to help and it's now shut. Turkish troops killing American troops, and that would be inevitable, would be a foreign policy disaster. But their new government has not displayed a particularly sound grasp of geopolitics to date, so anything's possible.

45 posted on 11/11/2004 4:00:10 PM PST by Billthedrill
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Well, this should prove interesting . . . and will complicate the h*ll out of the whole situation in Turkey. I agree with the poster's analysis that the Kurds have proven to be loyal fighters for America and we will have little choice but join them in fighting the Turks if they insist on taking this action.

(Sarcastic, rhetorical) Question: Has Ankara gotten Kofi Annan's official okey-dokey for this invasion? Has the UNSC sat around their rock lobster and bottles of water in an impoverished, drought-stricken African nation scratching their heads for months proclaiming "What to do? What to do?"


47 posted on 11/11/2004 4:00:50 PM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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This is beyond madness. We have bailed Turkey out to the tune of BILLIONS of U.S.$ already- their economy was about to bottom out. Their decision not to let us come through the north into Iraq puts them in a they-owe-us position.


48 posted on 11/11/2004 4:00:58 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: datura

I don't believe it.


49 posted on 11/11/2004 4:00:59 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: datura

There's an old English saying, "Big boast, small roast."


50 posted on 11/11/2004 4:01:20 PM PST by xJones
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Under international law, we are required to defend the territorial integrity of Iraq.

This move would be extremely bad for the Turks.


54 posted on 11/11/2004 4:03:29 PM PST by Owl558 (Don't tread on me!)
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I cant see Turkey doing this, it's not in their interest, war as we all know has variables one cannot see. They would also kiss their EU aspirations in the can. Nope can't see it happening, as the situation stands now
57 posted on 11/11/2004 4:05:18 PM PST by Cutterjohnmhb
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One word - MOAB.


58 posted on 11/11/2004 4:07:58 PM PST by jackbill
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Iranian and Syrian Kurds, they said, have participated in PKK attacks against police and military targets in southeastern Turkey over the last week.

Let's review the bidding: Iranian & Syrian Kurds are running ops across the Turkish border, so the Turkish General Staff proposes to do what in response? Invade Kurdish areas of Iraq? Hey, now there's some logic for ya!

66 posted on 11/11/2004 4:13:02 PM PST by Tallguy (Don't disturb me with talk of Hillary08!..I'd just like to bask in the afterglow for a while longer!)
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Turkey's gonna get messed up real bad if they decide to move forward with this plan. It would create a mess for us, The USA, but we will deal with it. Turkey will be defeated if she chooses to fight, if at all. Turkey would be a target rich environment. Turkey would be insane to do this, but then again, they are already muslim, are they radical too? We'll see.


68 posted on 11/11/2004 4:13:58 PM PST by Imperialist
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I call BS. Someone call the EU.


74 posted on 11/11/2004 4:28:39 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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Ahem.....


76 posted on 11/11/2004 4:29:37 PM PST by RaceBannon (Arab Media pulled out of Fallujah; Could we get the MSM to pull out of America??)
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What is this -- an excerpt from MAD Magazine?

The Turks stick one toe into Iraqi without permission and it'll be blown off.

83 posted on 11/11/2004 4:39:13 PM PST by F16Fighter
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I thought of the Turks as friends, until they stabbed us in the back on the Iraq war.

After what they did to us then, I really don't mind paying some of it back.


85 posted on 11/11/2004 4:45:19 PM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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Is Turkey a nuclear power?

They won't be for long. Can you say Lake Ararat? [I know..I'm dreaming..]

We need to tell Turkey "Invade and you will be at war with the US"


87 posted on 11/11/2004 4:48:17 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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Hey Turkey, Have you ever been in an Iraqi prison?


91 posted on 11/11/2004 4:57:27 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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