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Turkey Warns US It Plans To Invade Northern Iraq Shortly After Elections
Geostrategy-Direct.com (Subscription Site) ^ | 11 Nov 04 | Geostrategy-Direct.com

Posted on 11/11/2004 3:43:19 PM PST by datura

FOCUS ON TURKEY

Turkey warns U.S. it plans to invade northern Iraq shortly after elections


ANKARA — Turkey's military has begun preparing for what officials warned could result in a major invasion of neighboring Iraq.

Officials said the Turkish General Staff has drafted plans for an invasion by at least 20,000 troops into northern Iraq in early 2005. They said the General Staff has urged approval from the government of Prime Minister Recep Erdogan and discussed the proposed invasion with the United States.

"The current phase is to show the United States that we're serious," a Turkish government source said. "After the Iraqi elections in January, the Turkish military will be ready to move."

The military has called for a massive operation in northern Iraq to prevent Kurdish militias from controlling the area. The General Staff has been particularly alarmed by the reported Kurdish effort to drive out ethnic Turks from Kirkuk, the oil capital of northern Iraq and long claimed by Ankara.

Under the Turkish plan, the military would deploy at least 20,000 Turkish troops in an enclave south of the Iraqi-Turkish border. The force would focus on eliminating the Kurdish Workers Party and ensure the return of Turkmens to Kirkuk.

About 3,000 PKK fighters are said to be based in northern Iraq and have been sending insurgents and weaponry for attacks inside neighboring Turkey.

The United States has refused numerous Turkish appeals to eliminate the PKK strongholds.

On Oct. 14 Erdogan and his cabinet reviewed the General Staff's plan. That meeting, attended by Chief of Staff Gen. Hilmi Ozkok and Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul, discussed the rapid deployment of up to 40,000 troops in northern Iraq.

A scaled-down version of the military plan was discussed in the national security council on Oct. 27. The officials said that over the last week some units have already been deployed along the Iraqi-Turkish border.

Officials said the General Staff has sought to prepare two army divisions to cross the Iraqi border within 18 hours of any approval of the operation.

The first goal of the ground operation, supported by fighter-jets and attack helicopters, would be to destroy PKK strongholds in the Kandil mountains in northern Iraq.

The General Staff has warned the cabinet that Ankara could no longer ignore the Kurdish threat. Officials said the military has determined that Kurds from Iran and Syria have bolstered support for the PKK.

Iranian and Syrian Kurds, they said, have participated in PKK attacks against police and military targets in southeastern Turkey over the last week.

Officials said the General Staff has sought to obtain U.S. approval for the operation in northern Iraq. But Washington has not provided implicit approval.

The Erdogan government has sought to delay any Turkish military operation until after the European Union summit on Dec. 17. The government intends to spare the EU any pretext to delay a date for accession.

Officials said the Peshmerga are digging tunnels and establishing outposts outside Dahouk, near the Turkish border.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blackhelicopters; geopolitics; hoax; iraq; kurds; southwestasia; tinfoil; turkey
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To: TapTheSource

I agree with you to this point:

If we really are going to seriously to do this "Iraq" thing, and make it stick, and make Iraq a 'becon' - then the Communist Kurds must have SoFs visit them and send them onto a different portion of eternity...


121 posted on 11/11/2004 6:15:45 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: CWOJackson

That is certainly food for thought...and you just might be right.


122 posted on 11/11/2004 6:17:05 PM PST by Chena (George W. Bush understands what must be done...)
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To: ApesForEvolution

I disagree. We need stability now, not more jihadis.


123 posted on 11/11/2004 6:18:15 PM PST by misusu21
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To: elizabetty
shoot them when they come across the border?

Yep...

124 posted on 11/11/2004 6:19:20 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: pbrown

My intelligence FRiends in Israel say 6 weeks - 6 months is a reasonable guesstimate...this holiday season was a 'best worldly possible scenario', so needless to say, be prepared for news at any moment...


125 posted on 11/11/2004 6:19:46 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: AndyJackson
" I doubt we have spent any time on policing Kurdish incursions into Turkey. A lot of folks need to grow up and act like adults in the region."

Exactly, and much better (and quicker) said than I did in several posts to this thread before I read yours. Actually what I am thinking many are missing is that if we want to stay in control of Iraq's sovereignty (for now!), we need to control it in both directions.

On the other hand, this could also be a deep seated problem between some in the Turkish military and the Kurds. If that is the case it needs to be pointed out and worked out by diplomats not our troops on the ground.
126 posted on 11/11/2004 6:20:46 PM PST by JSteff
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To: misusu21

FRiend, you can't have a shot at intra-regional stability with Communist terrorists holding court in the most stable region of your nation...to the contrary of all brainwashing, the Communist PKK are not a friend of America's, Iraq's, the M.E.'s nor the world. I'll grant Turkey that I'd like to eliminate the terrorist (read: mostly Kurd Commies) Communist element NOW in the area...yesterday in fact.


127 posted on 11/11/2004 6:23:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: JSteff

the kurds are our only serious ally in iraq.. f-ck turkey.


128 posted on 11/11/2004 6:23:17 PM PST by misusu21
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To: expatpat

Good point, other than France, no one would vote for the Turks entering the EU if they attack Iraq.


129 posted on 11/11/2004 6:23:53 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: ApesForEvolution

The kurds are our only ally in iraq.. fuck turkey.


130 posted on 11/11/2004 6:24:39 PM PST by misusu21
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To: pbrown
Pretty close from what I have read, might even have one already. Certainly they will have a nuke or two or three within a year.

Thinking maybe Turkey is counting on an Iranian nuke to take out US forces should the US resist a Turkish invasion? Hmmmm, that might work out well for the Turks, but Iran will not like what happens to it if it ever used a nuke against us. Plus, I seriously doubt the Israelis will stand by doing nothing while Iran tosses nukes around the middle east.

131 posted on 11/11/2004 6:25:30 PM PST by jpsb (MAN)
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To: Henchman
France will support it, but other who are ambiguous of turkey will shift against it.
132 posted on 11/11/2004 6:25:53 PM PST by misusu21
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To: misusu21
They may be a serious military, but we won't and can't play a war of attrition with them. If they are talking like this, I tend to take it a bit seriously. They appear to actually be daring us to stop them should they try.

Very dangerous games for the Turks.

133 posted on 11/11/2004 6:26:16 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: expatpat

How do you know that France, Germany (EU: Old Europe) hasn't used Turkey as a proxy in the M.E. against America and Israel this whole time; i.e., since Clinton screwed them over following GW1?


134 posted on 11/11/2004 6:26:47 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution

We won't stand by and watch as they enter Iraq and commence to killing Americans and Iraqis, surely they know this.


135 posted on 11/11/2004 6:28:08 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
America does this all the time. Its just saber rattling, if they invade the protectorate with out our permission, they can kiss our friendship goodbye.
136 posted on 11/11/2004 6:28:44 PM PST by misusu21
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To: misusu21

If the Communist Kurds go to battle with the Turks, I'd allow the chips to fall where they may and pop some corn.

Neither need be in Iraq...period, paragraph and end of story.


137 posted on 11/11/2004 6:28:46 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: misusu21

You need to be careful about the f-word here. I never hit the abuse button but I'll bet dollars to donuts that comment get pulled in the next 5 minutes.


138 posted on 11/11/2004 6:28:47 PM PST by jpsb (MAN)
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To: Another Thought
"We have a pretty vital military base in Turkey." That base will be obsolete soon. As I hear it, the US is building permanent bases in IRAQ. Why? Obvious... the region needs to be stabilized, Iraq needs to be stabilized AND we do not need Turkey who sabotaged our Northern strategy and cost lives. Again, in essence, our Turkish bases are obsolete.

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139 posted on 11/11/2004 6:30:16 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: ApesForEvolution

You think too much of old europe. They could not handle the balkans.. much less the M.E.


140 posted on 11/11/2004 6:30:26 PM PST by misusu21
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