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Now I know that you are a man of character and that you are a logical man being that you are a member of free republic. If John Kerry or any liberal would claim that they were in a line of legal sucession to be president you would demand to see proof. If John Kerry or the DNC said trust us its true you would not be disuaded. And what would you want a document in showing that George washington had signed over or handed over the presidential line to kerry -- you would need to know that washington indeed knew the forbs family and that they had contract where a transfer could be made -- and if this momentous occassion did occur then there should also be a historical record -- you would accept no less of Kerry. The man can only be president for 8 years -- With the claims of the Catholic Church you are talking about resting your soul for all of eternity on what you have been told. -- It would seem that there should be some serious investigative work done to on a fist hand basis see if these things be so.

The cornerstone of the Roman Catholic Church is apostollic sucession.

If you did not know it allready there is only one historian for the first three centuries of church history can you name that man? Eusubius

If the catholic church's theory is true, then the sucession of Peter would have to be the single most important issue in Church history. The establishment of that pedigree line to the first Pope would be listed in an official history just as the geneology of Christ is listed in two Gospels.

If that pedigree is not listed in the only offical history church history -- in Eubius' Ecclesiatical History -- a history I might add that was paid for by the Roman Catholic Church -- then either it could not be found to be documented becasue no such pedigree existed -- or if it could not be found due to lost documents at least a histoical note would have been made of their existance and subsequent loss in that treatise. In reality the entire legacy of Rome and the Pope lies in that one book.

If you are serious about your catholisism you will find that book and read the first four "Books: to find your answer. Its completely your own choice: Men's words or documentation.

In the meantime I want to draw your attention to Clement of Rome one of the all important links in that chain of sucession -- you have been told the Pope is infallible this is a core doctrine it is not optional he either is or isn't and if he is not like with liberals and Kerry the house of cards goes tumbling down and we can not trust other biiger and more far reaching claims they make.

Clement of Rome is claimed to be in that line of sucession yet in his first letter to the Corinthians written in 95 -96 ad letter Clement makes no mention of his office nor his authority. His greeting to the corinthians is as a co-equal -- that in itself should send you strong warning signals

THE Church of God which sojourns at Rome, to the Church of God sojourning at Corinth, to them that are called and sanctified by the will of God, through our Lord Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, from Almighty God through Jesus Christ, be multiplied.

Secondly Clement confesses to a church that has been in Crisis its elders were tossed out by younger members that he has been tardy in responding

Owing, dear brethren, to the sudden and successive calamitous events which have happened to ourselves (At the church of rome), we feel that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the points respecting which you consulted us;

In this letter Clement clearly misquotes verses

For it is written, "The kind-hearted shall inhabit the land, and the guiltless shall be left upon it, but transgressors shall be destroyed from off the face of it."

And again it saith, "They loved Him with their mouth, and lied to Him with their tongue; but their heart was not right with Him, neither were they faithful in His covenant

He quotes from sources the Catholic Church has never recognized as scripture example: (4) adding, moreover, this gracious declaration Repent O house of Israel, of your iniquity.(5) Say to the children of My people, (Clement quoted this from the Apocrypha of Ezekiel) Though your sins reach from earth to heaven, I and though they be redder(6) than scarlet, and blacker than sackcloth, yet if ye turn to Me with your whole heart, and say, Father ! I will listen to you, as to a holy(7) people.

This is a quote from another book that the roman catholic church never recognized its from the book of enoch -- The sun and moon, with the companies of the stars, roll on in harmony according to His command, within their prescribed limits, and without any deviation. The fruitful earth, according to His will, brings forth food in abundance, at the proper seasons, for man and beast and all the living beings upon it, never hesitating, nor changing any of the ordinances which He has fixed. (Book of Enoch)The unsearchable places of abysses, and the indescribable arrangements of the lower world, are restrained by the same laws. The vast unmeasurable sea, gathered together by His working into various basins,(13) never passes beyond the bounds placed around it, but does as He has commanded.

This verse no scholar knows the book chapter or verse he is quoting here.-- And again it saith, "They loved Him with their mouth, and lied to Him with their tongue; but their heart was not right with Him, neither were they faithful in His covenant

now try this: Let us consider that wonderful sign [of the resurrection] which takes place in Eastern lands, that is, in Arabia and the countries round about. There is a certain bird which is called a phoenix. This is the only one of its kind, and lives five hundred years. And when the time of its dissolution draws near that it must die, it builds itself a nest of frankincense, and myrrh, and other spices, into which, when the time is fulfilled, it enters and dies. But as the flesh decays a certain kind of worm is produced, which, being nourished by the juices of the dead bird, brings forth feathers. Then, when it has acquired strength, it takes up that nest in which are the bones of its parent, and bearing these it passes from the land of Arabia into Egypt, to the city called Heliopolis. And, in open day, flying in the sight of all men, it places them on the altar of the sun, and having done this, hastens back to its former abode. The priests then inspect the registers of the dates, and find that it has returned exactly as the five hundredth year was completed.

Are thse the words of the holy see? Jumbled up incorrect and patently false on the Pheonix? If John Kerry had told this story of the Pheonix on the campaign trail what would you have posted on FR.

Are you willing to risk all of eternity on traditions and words of men.

The Democrats said that the acres of documents on Bill Clinton were all false they blew off every witness -- if you open up the Catholic online encyclopedia and read about the inquistion the french hugeonoughts the anabaptists and even dozens of Roman Catholic Saints that they freely admit to killing themselves only to make them saints once they were dead and posed no more oposition to them.

I work with a roman catholic who is of the order of templars -- I don't recall the exact name of the order the man went to catholic school and a catholic collage and he can recite the slaughters of protestants and apostates his very order was attacked and murdered in france for financial gain. And the pope recently apologised to the eastern orthodix church for the sins the commited when the catholic church under orders from the pope looted the greek orthodox church in constantinopel and left it to be destroyed my the muslim onslaught. The document trail is all there for you reading.

May God bless you and enlighten your heart.