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View From the Left: We must reclaim morality from reactionary fetishists
The Guardian Unlimited (UK) ^ | 11-11-04 | Jackie Ashley

Posted on 11/11/2004 6:30:57 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Objecting to homosexual activity as immoral is not "hating gays". As usual, the left completely misrepresents and demonizes traditional Christian believers.


21 posted on 11/11/2004 7:04:16 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

lovely strawman the Guardian constructs, ain't it?


22 posted on 11/11/2004 7:05:25 AM PST by King Prout (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Republicans now offer a very limited view of what a moral person is.

Actually, if you talk to Republicans, "morality" is a much broader question of character, and not the limited "religious right" definition that the left is applying.

The suggestion is that a family man who owns a couple of gas-guzzling cars, several homes, a motor-yacht and a private plane, who avoids taxes by clever siting of his company, and who can't stand "queers" and foreigners, yet goes to church twice a week, is living an ideal moral life. In fact, for many of us, he would be about the least moral example we could think of.

Sounds like a perfect definition of Kerry...with the exception of the queers and foreigners comment. Bottom line, though: you can't make sweeping generalizations about a person's morality just by looking at the clothes he wears, the cars he drives, or by his churchgoing habits. That's ridiculous. You've got to look inside the book's cover. More appropriately, you've got to look beyond the superficial, beyond the stump speeches, and see what a person has accomplished, and what he has done (or, as a senator, what he has voted for) with his life.

Look at a person's underlying convictions. If, by citing a facility overseas, a company can employ twice as many people, and sell their ketchup for half price here, thereby doing a small part to increase American standard of living, and decrease dependency on the government...well maybe it's not such an amoral decision after all.

With respect to "queers", the author is trying to use those eleven state-ballot initiatives to divide the country, and make it about intolerance and bigotry. His point couldn't be more divisive or more wrong. The 60-65% of the people that voted for these initiatives weren't voting against gays. These people were voting for the institution of marriage.

23 posted on 11/11/2004 7:05:33 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: Malleus Dei

It's not even that I don't like them (I don't like the in-your-face activists, admittedly). It's just that I think that they're sick people, with an unnatural sexual fetish that is disgusting. I've known a few of them, and had no issues with them, as long as we don't have to venture into the area of their private lives.


24 posted on 11/11/2004 7:05:37 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The involuntary 'redistribution of wealth' is the root of all political evil.


25 posted on 11/11/2004 7:06:27 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Fredgoblu

Quite right! I take the position that I kill the guilty and save the innocent. Which position is the more moral?


26 posted on 11/11/2004 7:15:30 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
To make a straw man of your enemy is self destructive. The left will collapse even more until they stop falsely idealizing us as 'enemy' in order to make it seem they have some intellectual tools to deal with us as a reality. We are not their enemy. We have just been falsely portrayed to them as an enemy by their true enemies. They continaully put all their slogans up as if they were not souls and spirit, but mere hearts. They have quite forgotten that in promoting sodomy and abortion as pleasant emotional widgets they have basically tried to force us to let death have some legitimate seat at the table as if it were 'equal' with life. 'Gay' is death and disease. Abortion is death. Manufactured poverty for the middle class in the guise of doing away with poverty by taxing them to death is death.

They are really having to take a look at themselves now. All along their lie was that we were the ones who falsely idealized their actions as evil and that in doing so we were being self-destructive. Now that that hasn't come to pass, they know something is fundamentally wrong with their outlook. That is a beginning.

27 posted on 11/11/2004 7:16:36 AM PST by telder1
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Another attempt to bash morality" that is based on so many false premises that it has no credibility - just an emotional, opinionated hit piece...
28 posted on 11/11/2004 7:17:38 AM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Even the title is funny:

We must Reclaim Morality...

Oh...how to parse this, let me count the ways:

1. Morality isn't something you can claim. You've either got it or you don't. It isn't "relative" as you might like to think.
2. The author is most definitely not prescribing a "proactive" stance on morality, but rather a "reactive" defense to the Republican's position. Who's proactive, and who's reactive? Follow your verbs, here. Interestingly, though, in the following phrase, the author says they've got to "reclaim morality from Reactionary Fetishists". Again, who's "reactionary"?!?!?!
3. Fetishists?!?! So, the institution of marriage is a "fetish"? Desiring lower taxes for everyone is a "fetish"? Fairness and equality for everyone is a "fetish"? Desiring trustworthiness and conviction in a leader is a "fetish"? A government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" is a "fetish", but a government for special interest groups at the expense of the wealthy is mainstream?

These people just don't get it.

29 posted on 11/11/2004 7:26:24 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: WorkingClassFilth
"several homes, a motor-yacht and a private plane, who avoids taxes by clever siting of his company,"

Geez Louise! Just how many Republicans fit this description? Maybe 10,000?

And I bet it also describes 20,000 Democrats.

30 posted on 11/11/2004 7:28:43 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: laotzu

It is simpleminded. A large % of Kerry voters voted for banning gay marriage. These Guardian stupes see everything from their own point of view. Can't get around their own inflated egos. How can they recapture morality? They cannot even define it.

vaudine


31 posted on 11/11/2004 7:29:15 AM PST by vaudine
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

"Nothing has been more damaging to the left than the smear (?) that everyone who supports, say, redistribution of wealth, is also by definition keen on compulsory adultery (not compulsory, but you're not "keen" to condemn it when it occurs), the decriminalisation of all drugs (All? No. But marijuana for starters), and free access for armed burglars to pensioners' homes (yes, gun control, the disarming of the good guys)."


32 posted on 11/11/2004 7:38:17 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let's all stop trying to advise the Dems what they need to do to win. Let them continue down the path to oblivion and let there arise a "loyal opposition" party just to keep the Repubs honest (or as honest as a politician can be.) The Dems, as currently constituted, don't contribute ANYTHING to our great country. They are a huge net deficit to our culture and to our way of life.


33 posted on 11/11/2004 7:42:45 AM PST by Thom Pain
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
As we live longer, then the good life involves looking after others at both ends of their lives.

Except at the beginning of those lives. Then carving them up alive or scalding them to death with chemicals is OK with the Eurotrash. And they have the gall to lecture us about morality?

Make that last sentence read, "And they have the gall to lecture Bush voters about morality?" Slaughtering unborn babies is also fine and dandy with the 48% of Americans who just voted in favor of continuing that practice in the only nation that stamps "In God We Trust" on it's money.

Has anyone coined the term "Ameritrash" yet? If not, I want to be the first.

34 posted on 11/11/2004 7:43:12 AM PST by epow
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What these guys never get on morality issues is that it's not enough to talk the talk; you have to walk the walk.


35 posted on 11/11/2004 7:50:32 AM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ugh.


36 posted on 11/11/2004 7:54:00 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: robertpaulsen

I like the hyperbole just fine. Let them define us as grotesquely as they can. I want the image they portray to be a decadent caricature of Zepplinesque proportions. I want their bile to dribble and splatter from articles they print like piss off the rim of gas station urinals. Hooray for their hatred! Let them carry it to every home in the nation and plaster it on every street corner. Yeah, baby! Let them tell it as they see it. . .

. . .I also wanna be there when they have to meet the folks they talk about at the voting booths.


37 posted on 11/11/2004 7:55:43 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (From Ku Klux Klan to the modern era of the Koo Kleft Klan...the true legacy of RATs.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Further proof that this author and the British media have no idea what makes the USA tick.

Obviously she/he/it has never seen the county breakdown map of the USA.

The USA is NOT divided along moral lines. The overwhelming majority agree. All 11 Defense of Marriage Amendments passed by OVERWHELMING majorities, that is not a divided country.

Why do the blue dots vote for democrats? FREE STUFF. Knee jerk democrat party votes.

This "person" obviously never understood, "never let your education interfear with your learning."

Perhaps a visit to the Boca Raton shrink for depressed leftists is in order.


38 posted on 11/11/2004 8:07:59 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is the typical way Brits see Americans. When the U.N. demanded that the USofA pay 58 million in dues, while offering no financial assistance to our efforts in the Balkans on their behalf and request, I saw a Brit sniff, "It's not like you Americans can't afford it".

They see us as yacht owning, gay haters. His statement that we will be as disappointed in God, as Briton was to find that God wasn't on the side of their empire, about says it all, jealousy and envy.
39 posted on 11/11/2004 8:08:14 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Of course this man would be a perfect Democrat. When he looks in the mirror he see's a jackass.


40 posted on 11/11/2004 8:16:36 AM PST by rock58seg (GWB, You made me so very happy... I love the smell of retribution in the morning.)
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