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View From the Left: We must reclaim morality from reactionary fetishists
The Guardian Unlimited (UK) ^ | 11-11-04 | Jackie Ashley

Posted on 11/11/2004 6:30:57 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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1 posted on 11/11/2004 6:30:59 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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only 2% of British voters go to church more than once a week, whereas 63% of Bush voters do

Explains everything.

2 posted on 11/11/2004 6:34:04 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What a caricature.

Here's the Republican ideal of a moral man: a man who works hard every day without looking for a handout. A man who provides for his family and is faithful to his wife. A man who eschews sexual perversion and debauchery. A man who takes responsibility for his actions and their consequences. A man who spends time and effort on raising his children. A man who is humble enough to get down on his knees and thank his heavenly Father for his blessings.

3 posted on 11/11/2004 6:36:10 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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"Suddenly, it's not "the economy, stupid", it's all about morality."

How incredibly narrow minded.....or is it simple minded?

When you passionately advocate immorality down your neighbors throat, you get my attention. I will put down my check book to smack you around.

4 posted on 11/11/2004 6:36:49 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Once again, the Left's twisted view of the Right's view of 'moral' illustrates their own lack of understanding of the issue.
5 posted on 11/11/2004 6:38:11 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: laotzu

"How incredibly narrow minded.....or is it simple minded?"

Actually, it's CLOSE MINDED! This article does nothing but mock those who live by values.


6 posted on 11/11/2004 6:39:02 AM PST by Arpege92 (We're here! We're Conservative! And we're in your face! - theDentist)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Am I the only one that noticed "morality" and "fetishists" are in the SAME sentence?

Talk about a contridiction!

They will NEVER get it.


7 posted on 11/11/2004 6:39:21 AM PST by A Real Dan Fan... NOT (Freedom is as much about responsibility as freedom.)
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These are "moral values" which generations of socialists and liberals would have instinctively understood.

What are the odds of this phrase even being honestly used here in the US by some of those lefty loons, hmmm?

8 posted on 11/11/2004 6:40:38 AM PST by TheBigB ("I'm George W. Bush, and I approved this ass-whoopin'.")
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They are hot against abortion; we are not...They embrace...the death penalty...

I get a chuckle out of it when they tell you they're against the death penalty, but for abortion. We can't be executing those mass murderers--that would be inhumane. But it's quite alright to execute an unborn child.

9 posted on 11/11/2004 6:40:58 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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"The Republicans now offer a very limited view of what a moral person is. The suggestion is that a family man who owns a couple of gas-guzzling cars, several homes, a motor-yacht and a private plane, who avoids taxes by clever siting of his company, and who can't stand "queers" and foreigners, yet goes to church twice a week, is living an ideal moral life. In fact, for many of us, he would be about the least moral example we could think of."

Yep. You highlighted the real meat of this rant. As long as they keep thinking like this, we'll be able to fight effectively.


10 posted on 11/11/2004 6:41:04 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (From Ku Klux Klan to the modern era of the Koo Kleft Klan...the true legacy of RATs.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How can moral relativists reclaim morality?


11 posted on 11/11/2004 6:42:06 AM PST by junta
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Morality is an absolute, so if one has an absence of it, it's not because someone 'stole' it from them. That's a ridiculous idea. It's because they've decided not to have it.

They keep talking of 'taking back' religion, morality, Christianity, etc. What they really mean is 'redefine'.


12 posted on 11/11/2004 6:43:53 AM PST by kenth (Please don't make me have to put a sarcasm tag... it ruins perfectly good sarcasm.)
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I'm glad that the left is so fixated on this straw man. They just don't get it. And that's a good thing. It means they will continue as they have been.

Here's a little secret:

Most Bush voters AREN'T evangelical Christians. But most of us REALLY DON'T LIKE IT when Democrats go so far out of their way to insult them, and Christianity as well.

In order for the Democrats to gain any legitimacy among people who have not rejected God, they first need to get rid of the large body of their supporters whose outspoken hostility toward Christianity powers their world-view.

When they let the anti-religious bigots control the dialogue, there's no way they can gain support in Middle America.

They can't see that. They don't understand that you can't portray religious believers the way they have, and expect to get their support. Kind of like you can't appeal to the "NASCAR Dads" if your base portrays them as ignorant, inbred hicks, the white male sources-of-all-evil.

In short, Dems, you can't be the party of International A.NS.W.E.R. and the party of John Kennedy at the same time.

OK, that's it. No more free tips to the other side...

13 posted on 11/11/2004 6:45:32 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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These people and morals never even met, and they presume to criticize others?


14 posted on 11/11/2004 6:46:08 AM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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"The Republicans now offer a very limited view of what a moral person is. The suggestion is that a family man who owns a couple of gas-guzzling cars, several homes, a motor-yacht and a private plane, who avoids taxes by clever siting of his company, and who can't stand "queers" and foreigners, yet goes to church twice a week, is living an ideal moral life. In fact, for many of us, he would be about the least moral example we could think of."

Except for the part about queers and foreigners I thought he was talking about John Kerry.


15 posted on 11/11/2004 6:47:07 AM PST by NRA1995 (Free Republic Inaugural Ball II, here I come!!!)
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The Republicans now offer a very limited view of what a moral person is.

Seems like a limited view of, "What a Republican is," is also in the offering..

16 posted on 11/11/2004 6:47:35 AM PST by wildehunt (I told them they'd need horses..)
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Bloody heathens they are!


17 posted on 11/11/2004 6:49:03 AM PST by jocon307 (Maintain the mandate!)
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They are hot against abortion; we are not. They are church-goers, by massive majorities; we are not. They embrace a culture of armed self-defence, the death penalty and homophobia that feels utterly alien to the modern urban Briton.

Hmm, let's see here.

1. Churchgoers. Got us there.

2. Armed citizens. Yes, got us there, too. In fact, we will fight and die rather than be disarmed as the British were.

3. Death penalty. Yes, got us there too, we're pretty much in favor of the execution of murderers, rapists, kidnappers, and spies. That way they don't get out on bail, early release, or whatever and do it again...plus it gives prospective murderers, rapists, kidnappers, and spies something to mull over.

4. Homophobia. Wrong. Homophobia is the fear of homosexuals, and we are not afraid of them. Most of us don't like them and don't approve of their immoral life style but that's about it. We don't hate them per se.

18 posted on 11/11/2004 6:51:11 AM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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"everyone who supports, say, redistribution of wealth, is also by definition keen on compulsory adultery, the decriminalisation of all drugs and free access for armed burglars to pensioners' homes"

The problem is that, while surely there are many liberals who support only redistribution of wealth, the loudest and most influential ones do indeed support not only redistribution, but drug liberalization, gun bans, and various radical fringe ideas.

The far left must really think we are stupid, since they have been stating right out loud that they will "talk" about morality and values; but there is no indication that they will actually live it.


19 posted on 11/11/2004 6:54:34 AM PST by treadstone71
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Message to leftists: The reason you lost isn't that you don't profess a morality, it is the principles and purposes of the morality you profess.


20 posted on 11/11/2004 6:57:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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