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Is Wal-Mart Good for America?
PBS ^ | 11/8/2004 | Press Release

Posted on 11/09/2004 1:11:34 PM PST by Willie Green

In Circleville, Ohio, population 13,000, the local RCA television manufacturing plant was once a source of good jobs with good pay and benefits. But in late 2003, RCA's owner, Thomson Consumer Electronics, lost a sizeable portion of its production orders and six months later shut the plant down, throwing 1,000 people out of work.

Thomson's jobs have moved to China, where cheap labor manufactures what the American consumer desires--from clothing to electronics--and can buy at "everyday low prices" at the local Wal-Mart.

On Tuesday, November 16, at 9 P.M. on PBS (check local listings), FRONTLINE® explores the relationship between U.S. job losses and the American consumer's insatiable desire for bargains in "Is Wal-Mart Good for America?" Through interviews with retail executives, product manufacturers, economists, and trade experts, correspondent Hedrick Smith examines the growing controversy over the Wal-Mart way of doing business and asks whether a single retail giant has changed the American economy.

(Excerpt) Read more at pbs.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: globalism; thebusheconomy; trade; walmart
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To: Tacis

While searching the Internet I found the bankruptcy statement from the owner of the business my husband used to contract out to. He stated that competition with places like Best Buy and the like had been the reason he was out of business. When I mentioned this to my husband, he thought it was funny. The reason this man lost his business was that even though his business had boomed he had not treated it as a growing business, but as the mom and pop business it had been years ago. He was still trying to rely on word of mouth, rather than spending more money on advertising. It was poor business decisions that ruined his business, rather than the success of other businesses.


141 posted on 11/09/2004 2:37:26 PM PST by HungarianGypsy (Envision getting off your hippie butt and getting a job.)
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To: Willie Green
Well...I'm 100% sure that abortion, porn and strip clubs are bad for America, but I'm 100% certain PBS won't come out against that stuff.

I'm also 100% certain PBS won't badmouth CostCo, even though they use a similar business model, because it's owned by a Clinton-loving lib.

I'm also certain that any regulation the libs would like to put on Wal-Mart would be unconstitutional.

142 posted on 11/09/2004 2:37:35 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I used to work in an orange juice factory, but I got canned: I couldn't concentrate.)
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To: Getsmart64
"you wanna buy a $70 DVD player every couple of years or do you want to buy a $500 dollar DVD player every 10 years"


1) In 10 year we won't be using DVD's. It will be something else. Your $500 will be wasted.
2) If you have kids you could find your $500 DVD stuffed with crackers.
3) I have been very pleased with my $70 DVD for over a year now.
143 posted on 11/09/2004 2:37:36 PM PST by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: Willie Green

Yes, yes it is.


144 posted on 11/09/2004 2:38:02 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Pondman88

Target or Wal-mart, France or China? Either way American money is flying out of the country. IMO I want the fair tax plan to pass, then American companies can produce goods on the same level as foreign companies without all of our corporate taxes and fees.


145 posted on 11/09/2004 2:38:10 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: Modernman

Gosh, this may sound treasonous, but there may be some things more important to our future and present well being that just making money. We will have to live here up to our ears in disposable junk.


146 posted on 11/09/2004 2:38:38 PM PST by winston61
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To: Willie Green

I don't get why Wal-mart is demonized while other retailers who utilize the same practices are left alone.

I guess some people just have to focus on demonizing something, anything. Regardless of how illogical.


147 posted on 11/09/2004 2:39:27 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Racehorse

But it was the people who decided where to shop. What is everyone's problem is this Communist night on the FR? People decide where to spend their money. People decide who to shop from.

As sad as it may be that mom and pop stores close down it is never permanant. My grandfather had a store for 30 years. It is closed. Why? Not Walmarts. Because another mom and pop store opened up across the street and ran him out of business. That store has now closed and a number of new one outside of town (in the new suburbs) is open.

From death arises life in capitalism. If you want the stores you grew up with to always remain in business move to Cuba.


148 posted on 11/09/2004 2:43:33 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Willie Green
"Is Wal-Mart Good for America?"

Yes, of course. Any other questions?

The real question should be: Is Willie green good for America? The answer is, he isn't bad, so long as everyone continues to ignore him. hehe, just kidding.
149 posted on 11/09/2004 2:44:08 PM PST by monday
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To: Tempest

Walmart = Red State
Costco = Blue State

Any questions?


150 posted on 11/09/2004 2:44:14 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Getsmart64

Welfare on a continental scale. Thanks for the insight.


151 posted on 11/09/2004 2:46:08 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: annyokie
When Lowe's came to Terre Haute, they physically sent people into every home remodeling store in town, actively recruited every department head and supervisor (i.e., the people with the knowledge of how to do jobs), then used them to train their own people, then fired the lot.

Adam Smith was right...to a point. I don't believe he took into account any business having the buying power or leverage of Walmart. When one player has the financial ability to absorb the loss in terms of prices, then raise prices after the competition is gone.

But my biggest beef with Walmart is its banking practices. Several times each day, Walmart takes its money and drives it to an out-of-town bank. The problem? Allowing the local banks to benefit from that cash flow, even for a few minutes, would allow most small town banks to grow, thus allowing them to lend money to small business owners, home buyers and owners, etc. Then I can see Walmart creating growth in a community. But if 800 jobs move from one place to another laterally, then there is no growth and no benefit from have two 600,000 sq. ft. stores in the same town.
152 posted on 11/09/2004 2:46:34 PM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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To: bushisdamanin04
"The Wal-Marts I have been in have been large and clean with decent employees and excellent prices. My experiences at Wal-Mart have been 100 times better than my experiences at K-Mart, which I liken to a 3rd world country"

Exactly what I would say. My only bad Walmart experience was in one of the very rare intercity Walmarts.
I have been in K-Marts 3 or 4 times...Each was like an ABORTION. I will do without before I will go in a K-mart.
154 posted on 11/09/2004 2:47:55 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Racehorse

What makes you think Wal-Mart caused the demise of the downtown businesses? I saw downtowns closing down before there were any Wal-Marts. Property taxes, parking, zoning laws, permit fees, collecting sales taxes and general government interference are the real culprits.


155 posted on 11/09/2004 2:48:05 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Trained by English Setters)
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To: Pondman88
Why doesn't Walmart try to move into the older, abandoned city centers? Here in Ct Walmart was recently shot down near the highway.....but a short mile from this site is a perfectly good, older downtown setting. In my view were Walmart to open at these sites (some, at least) they would engender good will from a whole host of people and attract good crowds to revitalize these areas.

At least three of the Wal-Marts in my area moved into old malls that were about to become useless anyhow -- or already were. As far as town centers, people who live close to downtown areas I have lived in want to have retail, but what they want are little foo-foo boutiques or a Starbucks. If a "big box" store is even suggested residents often shout, "Not in our neighborhood." Yet, they will drive five miles or so out of their way to go to a Wal-Mart in another area.
156 posted on 11/09/2004 2:48:35 PM PST by HungarianGypsy (Envision getting off your hippie butt and getting a job.)
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To: Pondman88

Good competitor?

Walmart is the Standard Oil of the 20th-21st century. They've driven so many companies out of business in their pursuit of the almighty buck it's pathetic.

Here's what happens. Walmart approaches Joe's Factory to make socks. Walmart will buy 100,000 pairs of socks if Joe can sell them at $1/pair. That cuts it a bit thin for Joe's profit margin, but he figures to make it up in volume so he commits. Next year, Walmart asks him if he can make 1,000,000 pairs for $.99/pair. It's a huge order, requiring Joe to expand his factory, bring in extra workers, and borrow money to finance the expansion. So he signs a two year deal. Things go pretty well, though his total business is now dedicated to Walmart because his other customers have now lost their customers who can buy his socks cheaper there than at their shop.

Year 3 comes around and guess what? Walmart decides to play hardball. "Well, I guess we can still buy the socks from you, but you're going to have to improve your prices. If you can't sell them at $.50/pair, we'll take our business elsewhere."

Now Joe faces the same choice that hundreds of other manufacturers, contractors, and shippers have faced. They have expanded to accommodate Walmart, lost customers who were Walmart competitors, and are now in debt from the expansion. Their choices are: 1) keep producing, and pray that you can cut your costs 50%, knowing that it's likely you'll be bankrupt within a year or two or 2) decline the order, lay off 95% of your workers, and try to salvage what's left of your customer base and business.

That's not being a 'good competitor'. It's the same kind of tactics that Teddy Roosevelt got tough on 100 years ago.


157 posted on 11/09/2004 2:48:44 PM PST by Old_time_conservative
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To: Willie Green

Wal-Mart is fine if you like shopping in a cramped (over stocked), dirty, smelly store loaded with human trash and screaming kids.


158 posted on 11/09/2004 2:49:36 PM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

"...100 years from now, PBS won't be able to have an "Antiques Roadshow." There won't be anything left from the early 21st century, because it was all cheap Chinese crap that fell apart in 10 years. And good 20th century American furniture will be worth its weight in gold..."


I've thought that, too. Go to a thrift store and you can still find wonderful pieces from the Fifties and sometimes Sixties that were American-made and are now considered collectible. But the stuff from the Seventies on is garbage.

We try to avoid buying made-in-China whenever possible - the furniture is all particle board and weighs a ton. That's how you can tell it's junk.


159 posted on 11/09/2004 2:49:38 PM PST by Sabatier
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Depending on the product, sometimes Made in the U.S.A. items may be partially assembled in Mexico.


160 posted on 11/09/2004 2:50:55 PM PST by HungarianGypsy (Envision getting off your hippie butt and getting a job.)
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