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Election Fallout. Faith in democracy, not government (editorial with some interesting points)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Nov. 7, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/07/2004 12:05:41 PM PST by FairOpinion

Something else is going on in the country that has been little remarked upon. It is not just that an endorsement of a Michael Moore does not translate into votes or that Rathergate loses viewers for CBS. It has become perhaps far worse: A Hollywood soiree with a foul-mouthed Whoopee Goldberg or a Tim Robbins rant can turn toxic for liberal candidates. We are nearly reaching the point where approval from the New York Times or a CBS puff-piece hurts a candidate or cause, as do the billions in contributions from a George Soros.

Television commentators Walter Cronkite, Bill Moyers, Andy Rooney or Ted Koppel have morphed from their once sober and judicious personas into highly partisan figures that now carry political weight among most Americans only to the degree that they harm any cause or candidate with whom they are associated.

After trillions of dollars of entitlement programs, most voters are unsure that the answers lie with bureaucrats and social programs, especially when the elite architects of such polices rarely experience firsthand the often unintended, but catastrophic results of their own well-meant engineering.

So we all know the cure for the Democratic Party: More moderate, populist candidates who don't talk down to voters or live one life and profess another; more explicit faith in American democracy and values; and a little more humility in accepting the tragic limitations of human nature.

Yet for many,that medicine of reappraisal will be far worse than the disease of chronic defeat.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerrydefeat; vdh; victordavishanson
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As I said, some interesting observation.

I think the country is moving ahead, and the Democrats are left behind.

1 posted on 11/07/2004 12:05:42 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
So we all know the cure for the Democratic Party: Kick your own buckets -->> three little words -->> Bullet to temple !!

There is no cure...
2 posted on 11/07/2004 12:08:52 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: xtinct

There is this very old joke, I heard recently on TV.

Why are there no Democrats in Star Trek?

Because it takes place in the future.



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The Democrats are doomed, just like communism.


3 posted on 11/07/2004 12:11:23 PM PST by FairOpinion (Thank you Swifties, POWs & Vets. We couldn't have done it without you.)
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To: FairOpinion

good find


4 posted on 11/07/2004 12:12:32 PM PST by woofie
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To: FairOpinion

It would force the self oriented to acknowledge the error of their selfish ways.

Kerry was just a verrrrryyyy poor candidate. So disorganized and all over the place.


What if they had a good one?


5 posted on 11/07/2004 12:12:53 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: FairOpinion

Talking to some folks (all libs or independents) I think the lib disease may be fatal... as the more out of phase they are, the further they run from common sense


6 posted on 11/07/2004 12:14:58 PM PST by woofie
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To: FairOpinion

"So we all know the cure for the Democratic Party: More moderate, populist candidates who don't talk down to voters or live one life and profess another; more explicit faith in American democracy and values; and a little more humility in accepting the tragic limitations of human nature."

Go for it, dems! That would spell doom for hillary in '08. Though I expect to see lots of 'hillary going to sunday services' photo-ops in an effort to conceal the fact that she and her party have been and will always be the devil's advocates.


7 posted on 11/07/2004 12:17:19 PM PST by anonsquared
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To: FairOpinion

Well, for how long have the Dems been receiving reality enemas? But their leftist collectivism is terribly resistant to purging. Few, like Zell, are rather immune or recover, but the rest?


8 posted on 11/07/2004 12:17:49 PM PST by GSlob
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To: FairOpinion; JohnHuang2

Victor Davis Hanson ping!!!


9 posted on 11/07/2004 12:19:45 PM PST by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: FairOpinion
Thank you for the post and titling it in a way that got my attension.

It is right on and the author has a better understanding of what went wrong than most.

Actually a few things that should have been clues for the author would have been the backlash of complaints to sponsors, such that Whoopie lost her corporate sponsorship job. That should have been a huge clue as to the seething unrest and pent up anger that would translate into votes.

Other signs that were ignored and are still being ignored by the Democratic-leftists are the near religious zeal on the part of the left to remove any reference to the ten commandments from any public building or area. When the left talks about how it was gay marriage that was the "moral value" folks voted on, they are just talking about the tip of the iceberg. Is it political free speach to get a bunch of thugs to march in front of a Republican convension or to stage an anti-war rally that blocks rush hour traffice in a large city, but to legislate that anti-abortion clinic protestors may not congregate near an abortion clinic as it is a violation of privacy? The heartland has seen the hypocracy and become angry over a multi-year period and been motivated to vote.

The Democrats and the left need to understand that after all their years in control and after all the judges who passed their litmus tests and all the partronage appointments to federal jobs, the time for the "other side" to have theirs is now at hand.

I can truly understand why so many on the left are now frequenting the Canadian immigration website. If they remain they are going to have to "grin and bear it" like the rest of us have had to do for a few decades. I honestly don't think that the democratic party as we know it will survive as a "single party" much beyond next year.

10 posted on 11/07/2004 12:25:20 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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Well, I disagree, to some extent. The Democratic party is capable of producing some reasonable people from time to time (ie. Zell Miller); however, the basic problem is that the left-wing fringe -- which truly is the leadership of the Democratic Party -- won't accomodate reasonable people. You have to be in lock-step with them on every issue (ie. pro-choice, pro-trial lawyer, pro-union, pro-entitlement, pro-medical-industry-takeover, pro-big government, anti-military) or risk being ostracized. The Republican tent is far bigger -- and that tent is represented quite clearly in the wide sprawl of red states criss-crossing this country. Further evidenced by people such as Rudy Guiliani and Arnold Schwarzeneggar who, by all accounts, are pro-choice and favor fetal stem-cell research -- and yet were still allowed to play a major part in the GOP convention. Try imagining the Democratic Party putting up a pro-life speaker at their convention -- and you see in stark terms how small their tent is. And how much it continues to shrink.

As a party, we need to be aware that some issues (such as abortion) will take decades to wring themselves out of the American consciousness before we collectively decide as a nation that those practices are barbaric and should be banned. I think that Bush is very wise to recognize that you can't change a culture overnight. Like civil rights granted to minorities, I have no doubt that people will eventually come to recognize that fundamental rights should be granted to the unborn, as well. But it's awfully difficult to change peoples' hearts when barriers are constantly erected which define "us and them". That's why the GOP must continue to expand its base. I can't count how many of my friends have come over to the GOP in recent years after having experienced an epiphany of faith or a realization that the value-less culture that they once espoused has lost meaning to them. They wanted more -- and they didn't find it in the psuedo-spirituality being sold by the left. So, let's keep our hearts open and win them over a little at a time.
11 posted on 11/07/2004 12:27:23 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000

That's why the reasonable Democrats, like Zell Miller, need to recognize that "the party left them" a long time ago, and realize that their values are more aligned with today's Republican party.


12 posted on 11/07/2004 12:30:43 PM PST by FairOpinion (Thank you Swifties, POWs & Vets. We couldn't have done it without you.)
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To: JustAnotherOkie
Kerry was just a verrrrryyyy poor candidate. So disorganized and all over the place.

And, while John Kerry has money and a well-known family lineage, he is no gentleman...and TeRAza is no lady.

However boorish the Europeans think we are, we still prefer some dignity in the White House.

13 posted on 11/07/2004 12:32:22 PM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: xtinct

I'm surprised no one has told you how inappropriate and crude your comment was.


14 posted on 11/07/2004 12:36:40 PM PST by WHATNEXT? (That's PRESIDENT BUSH (not Mr.)!!)
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To: FairOpinion

It boggles my mind that the SF Chron's editors would allow Hanson's essay a place in their pages. I'll bet they're going to get a lot of angry letters from their SF readers.


15 posted on 11/07/2004 12:40:44 PM PST by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: FairOpinion

VDH makes a great point. I think a lot of people were put off by Kerry's elitist snobbery while he played the common man poseur. His constant carping about Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy while Teh-RAAAAAAAAY-ZAH refused to release her tax forms only aroused suspicion. When it was finally revealed that she paid taxes at a lower rate than most Americans (~12%) and that Kerry complained about tax breaks for the wealthy while taking the ones the president also gave him (and the rest of us), he exposed himself for the hypocrit that he is. He even laughed as he acknowledged that he took the money instead of continuing to pay more taxes. To Jim and Jane Average American, this translates into "Even though I don't do it this way, here's what YOU should do."

The Johns had to work too hard to make themselves look like "regular guys". We all knew that they weren't and still aren't. Kerry's insistance on the football throwing around his plane was simply too phoney for words. He played like someone who doesn't play football (which, at his age and in his life, we know that he hasn't) and he caught like a girl. And his faux "hunting" excursions were too hilarious for words. He couldn't and didn't bring it off.

But, questions remain about Kerry's past. Why wasn't he court-martialed for the war crimes he admitted in sworn testimony before a Senate Investigating Committee that he committed? Why wasn't he tried for treason after meeting with Madame Binh in Paris and coming back spouting the VC conditions to end the war? Why wasn't he tried on a myriad of charges including Conspiracy to Commit Murder on a Public Official after the VVAW meeting at which they discussed assassinating a number of elected officials? Why wasn't he tried for Perjury after it was revealed that much of his sworn testimony before the Senate Investigating Committee was false?

This man doesn't deserve to continue having the opportunity to keep dust from settling on his senate chair, he deserves to be with his own kind - IN PRISON!!!! He is a criminal and he should be in prison - maybe three cells down from Bubba's cell.

IMO, we are not done with JF'n Kerry until there are some answers/resolution to these questions.


16 posted on 11/07/2004 12:46:37 PM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: FairOpinion
Yes very interesting indeed thanks, and a voice of reason. I hear these same sentiments from folks in the party. But for any of this to happen, the far-left would implode the Dem party, several old-time Dems I speak to ---both elderly Jewish gents-- fear the far left and worry about the direction this at times hate filled young left, will take them.
17 posted on 11/07/2004 12:51:46 PM PST by Cutterjohnmhb
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To: FairOpinion

Yes, Chronical, government IS part of the problem -- NOT the solution.


18 posted on 11/07/2004 12:55:52 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: FairOpinion

Bumping...


19 posted on 11/07/2004 1:21:30 PM PST by redhead ("Gee, Ricky. I'm sorry your mom blew up...")
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To: xtinct

xtinct, received your Freepmail suggesting I'm a Liberal lurker for my comment.

No, you're wrong. I just don't think putting guns to Liberal's heads and shooting them is the answer.


20 posted on 11/07/2004 1:27:43 PM PST by WHATNEXT? (That's PRESIDENT BUSH (not Mr.)!!)
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