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Pro-choicers face reality of ultrasound pix
NY Daily News ^ | Nov. 7, 2004 | Zev Chafets

Posted on 11/07/2004 5:05:16 AM PST by conservativecorner

A few weeks ago, I went to lunch at a diner in Mount Vernon with Rick Marino, a moral philosopher disguised as a home renovation contractor. The subject turned to pregnancy and ultrasound. A decade ago, when I was having my last crop of kids, the pictures came out fuzzy. The doctor would point - "These are the fingers" or "There is the head" - and I'd nod. In truth, I couldn't make much of the blurry images.

Today's ultrasound photos come in 3-D and color. At 18 weeks you can easily discern fingers and facial features. At seven months, you have a fully recognizable human baby. It's so clear that even a man can see it.

For a couple of hundred bucks a pregnant woman can go to the mall nowadays and have a picture taken of her baby. Or even a video with a musical soundtrack.

Rick and I were marveling over this when we were interrupted by the waitress. "You guys talking about ultrasounds?" she asked. At first I missed the edge in her voice.

"Amazing, aren't they?" I asked.

"They're going to be used against women," the waitress snapped. She was obviously ready to sacrifice a tip to make a point.

She was right, of course. Ultrasound images are already changing the perception of abortion. Once, the idea of fetal humanity was a matter of religious conviction. Now, it is an observable fact. If you don't believe me, go to Google Images on the Internet and type in: Ultrasound, 30 weeks.

The implications are both political and philosophical.

In the new Bush administration, abortion is going to become the hottest of hot buttons. The President will probably appoint three or four Supreme Court justices. At the very least, a Bush-leaning court would probably reverse previous rulings that outlaw a federal ban on third-term abortion. Ultimately, Roe vs. Wade itself may be in danger.

Obviously this is a crisis for the abortion-rights movement. It is also a problem for the Democrats. Most Americans are already queasy about third-term abortions. As ultrasound imagery improves, abortion-righters may find themselves without significant support in their own party.

Dogmatic orthodoxy on abortion is also a philosophical problem for the left. In the great moral debates of our time, they have rested their case on science, not blind belief. Lately they have taken to calling themselves "reality-based," in somewhat sneering contrast to presumably simpleminded "faith-based" conservatives. The problem is, this time they are on the wrong side of science.

It is true that millions of opponents of abortion arrived at their position without the need for photographic evidence. They have always believed that human life begins at conception. But there are million of others, neither reactionary nor religious, who have now concluded - or are in the process of concluding - that at some point, before birth, fetuses become babies, deserving of protection.

Finding that point will be the crux of the coming debate. If the abortion-rights movement wants the support of the middle-aged, socially liberal guys in the diners of America, it had better find a more convincing tone than anger - and an argument that doesn't require us to deny, on doctrinal grounds, the evidence of our own eyes.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; ultrasound
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To: CaptainVictory
The sad part is, many of these same people are willing to let the Supreme Court dictate when that "point" occurs. As an attorney,

Any "point" in a continuum of change is arbitrary. They are used in law a matter of practicality. Unfortunately the RvW decision used a "viability" criterion which doesn't seem to take into consideration any criteria we use to decide if a thing has rights.

Since I brought it up, what criteria do determine rights? 10 fingers and 10 toes?

21 posted on 11/07/2004 5:51:00 AM PST by beavus
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To: conservativecorner

My favorite will always be of the baby grasping the doctor's finger, while inutero surgery was being performed.


22 posted on 11/07/2004 5:55:09 AM PST by mathluv (Thank you, America, for protecting my grandchildren's future.)
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To: airborne

Most pro-choices haven't seen a partial birth abortion. The babies are fully developed. The pictures can easily be seen on any partial birth abortion site. I plan to start carrying some around with me and pull them out to show people when the discussion starts to heat up. I think that will be an interesting debate.


23 posted on 11/07/2004 6:00:14 AM PST by BushWonGore'sDone
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To: atomicpossum

When I first read you post, I thought you typed "valuable" (no glasses this morning). Then, I correctly saw the word "viable". That sums it up. Valuable and viable. I've always said that you can't have truly experienced a child's love and then support abortion. That's a contradiction formulated in the definition of love - undisputable to me.


24 posted on 11/07/2004 6:01:17 AM PST by kdot
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To: Battle Axe

You are very fortunate that you were qualified to adopt. I am a single parent (widowed), with a modest income, over age 40. I don't have a prayer of qualifying to adopt a child. They're sensible rules, generally speaking. Still...


25 posted on 11/07/2004 6:07:59 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: conservativecorner; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Coleus
Planned Parenthood = 'legalized' Eugenics.

Pro-life ping!

26 posted on 11/07/2004 6:15:29 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: muawiyah

I doubt they derive pleasure from abortion. That's a huge stretch.


27 posted on 11/07/2004 6:17:45 AM PST by Melas
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To: BushCountry

That is totally awesome. Is that enhanced in anyway?


28 posted on 11/07/2004 6:18:35 AM PST by Melas
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To: Melas
Of course they derive pleasure from it. Otherwise why would they engage in it?

Humans avoid pain and seek pleasure. The pro-abortion folks try to invert the standard every now and then but their argument has never stuck.

29 posted on 11/07/2004 6:20:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Battle Axe

That's a much more plausible explanation than "They like killing babies".


30 posted on 11/07/2004 6:21:14 AM PST by Melas
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To: muawiyah

You are so right!!


31 posted on 11/07/2004 6:30:07 AM PST by okokie (Laura Bush is a REAL WOMAN, a lady with manners and grace)
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To: conservativecorner

I don't understand why one would need a third trimester abortion. When I see these shows on Discovery Health or TLC, whenever someone has a problem that requires her to become unpregnant at 7 months, they just deliver the premie and put it in the incubator.


32 posted on 11/07/2004 6:30:34 AM PST by MsGail61
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To: mathluv

My favorite will always be of the baby grasping the doctor's finger, while inutero surgery was being performed

http://joseromia.tripod.com/samuel.html


33 posted on 11/07/2004 6:33:55 AM PST by Esther Ruth (Thank you Lord for George W. Bush!!!)
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To: Melas
The "it's all about me" explanation is pretty much the same thing. They do derive pleasure from killing the babies.

Look, junkies derive pleasure from the narcotics they use ~ doesn't mean they like doing it, but they do derive pleasure from the act.

34 posted on 11/07/2004 6:36:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: beavus
"THEY" live in TOTAL DENIAL-My son's mother-in-law "DOESN'T BELIEVE" the facts of the procedure in a partial birth abortion-she says it's all propaganda- talk about sticking your head in the sand!!
35 posted on 11/07/2004 6:38:40 AM PST by okokie (Laura Bush is a REAL WOMAN, a lady with manners and grace)
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To: mathluv

AMEN!!


36 posted on 11/07/2004 6:39:42 AM PST by okokie (Laura Bush is a REAL WOMAN, a lady with manners and grace)
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To: Melas

They want the $$$$$ it's BIG BUSINESS!!


37 posted on 11/07/2004 6:41:47 AM PST by okokie (Laura Bush is a REAL WOMAN, a lady with manners and grace)
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To: conservativecorner

Your link didn't work. Does anyone know why, so many About. com links fail to bring up the data?


38 posted on 11/07/2004 6:43:00 AM PST by Netizen
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To: atomicpossum

I think modern science is the pro abortion movement's biggest enemy. I really think that is the angle to use instead of religion. It's too easy for pro aborts to malign religion. But modern science is hard to get around. jmo


39 posted on 11/07/2004 6:46:05 AM PST by Netizen
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To: Battle Axe
If Roe v Wade began in 1973, these women will hit 60 starting in another 10 or so years. That is when it will hit them, that they have no kind loving children to take care of them. There might be a lot of crying and gnashing of teeth.

Not all of them may have aborted all their children though. They may have kept their babies once the child became more CONVENIENT to their lifestyle.

40 posted on 11/07/2004 6:48:37 AM PST by Netizen
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