2008 George, George Allen!

[paul51]

That is what this sounds like to me.

He consistently said during the campaign that he wouldn't vote to repeal it because it was toothless and meaningless. If you get to know him, you'll realize that's his style. Working to get rid of a law that he thought was meaningless (even harmless) would be a waste of time to him.

[John Robertson]

I guess it's open to interpretation. I'm just saying, look a little closer at the guy. Please. Thanks.

[hershey]

I think he's the one.

[maineman]

He was pretty upset with the back door McTurnCoat deal.

[Corin Stormhands]

What, talking out of both sides of his mouth?

Fat, drunk and Californian is no way to go through life son.

[Corin Stormhands]

He attended UVa! (sigh!) As a fellow Hokie let me tell you it could be always be worse. The problem is I just can't think how at the moment.

Yep, he's a Wahoo. BUT he has also been a strong supporter of Virginia Tech. He was very supportive in the whole process of moving Tech to the ACC.

And c'mon, do you really wanna see "Hokies for Hillary?"

[paul51]

Fat, drunk and Californian is no way to go through life son.

Words of advice from a real intellectual. Just what I need. You've been in the mountains too long pal.

[Corin Stormhands]

Hey, I'm not the one that lives in the land of fruits and nuts.

But, putting that aside for a moment, I know George Allen personally. You're dead wrong in your opinion of him.

Take it to the bank.

[paul51]

Take it to the bank

From a guy like you? Sure I will.

[Corin Stormhands]

good night

[BillyBoy]

2004: DEM NOMINEE IS U.S. SENATOR FROM "SAFE" DEM STATE. RESULT = GOP WIN.

1996 GOP NOMINEE IS U.S. SENATOR FROM "SAFE" GOP STATE. RESULT = DEM WIN

1984: DEM NOMINEE IS U.S. SENATOR FROM "SAFE" DEM STATE. RESULT = GOP WIN.

1972: DEM NOMINEE IS U.S. SENATOR FROM "SAFE" DEM STATE. RESULT = GOP WIN.

1964: GOP NOMINEE IS U.S. SENATOR FROM "SAFE" GOP STATE. RESULT = DEM WIN

See any pattern here? Read my lips, NO MORE NOMINATING SENATORS FROM "SAFE" STATES THAT THEIR PARTY WINS BY DEFAULT.

"Yeah...Bob Dole has Kansas eight electoral votes in the bag... look out Clinton! "

A southern/midwestern RAT swing state governor in the Carter/Clinton mold is hoping and praying the GOP picks a deep red-state Senator.

[Corin Stormhands]

It's a moot point if it's Hillary vs. Allen.

[nightowl]

George Allen will be the next President of the United States. I decided that weeks ago. A few weeks ago, a friend was at my house and I had the TV on Cspan and Senator George Allen was speaking on the floor of the Senate. I told her that she was looing at our next president. Her response? Who is he?

We obviously have some work to do. Senator Allen is a two term governor of Virginia. He should be our guy for 2008. He is just a terrific conservative. He is the REAL DEAL!

[BillyBoy]

Yeah, being an FORMER Gov in a "safe" state really got this guy far..

"But I DO have EXECUTIVE experience! I was Lt. GOVERNOR under Mike... eh, nevermind. Did I mention I was in Vietnam?"

[BillyBoy]

Go on DU and you will find they are all panicked over the idea of nominating the Hilderbeast but VERY enthusiastic about the idea of nominating Mark Warker. (BTW, RINOs in VA love Warner) What if safe GOP stater George Allen has to compete on his home turf?

[John Robertson]

I don't see that as an argument.

Massachussetts is small, lib, democratic.

Virginian is bigger, has a decent electoral vote count, and, culturally and politically, aligns with a lot more red statest than Mass. Uh...not a lot more, all of them.

[Paleo Conservative]

Yeah, being an FORMER Gov in a "safe" state really got this guy far..

Virginia was a lot closer than Massachusetts.

[BillyBoy]

>> Massachussetts is small, lib, democratic. <<

Yes, hence when the Dems nominate Senators from there, they only carry OTHER small, liberal, Democrat states and have trouble competing anywhere else. Even the original JFK himself BARELY beat Nixon in 1960 and would have NEVER won TX and IL without vote fraud.

>> Virginian is bigger, has a decent electoral vote count, and, culturally and politically, aligns with a lot more red statest than Mass.

Yep. And the reverse is true. VA is a moderately sized, conservative, solidly Republican (in federal electons) state. Hence, any candidate from there will carry other moderately sized, conservative, solidly Republican states... and struggle to win over anything else. Swing states like Iowa, Wisconsin, Pennsyvania, Oregon, etc. would more likely to vote for some folky red-state Democrat Governor than vote for Republican from a "safe" Republican state (just ask Bob Dole)

>> I don't see that as an argument. <<

Thank you for proving my point. Governors from competative states have a far, far better chance of winning. See Clinton, Reagan, and Carter for more info.

We eeked by the last two Presidential elections even with a Governor on the ticket. I'd rather not have to push our luck even further by running a Senator and risk hearing the phrase "President Richardson", "President Warner", or "President Visalk" in four years.

[John Robertson]

Where to begin?
Oh, I'm not going to disagree point by point with you.

I disagree. And it's too late.

But you threw out some potential dem prez candidates... without mentioning who the nominee will be: Hilary.

I see you're a "college age male," which is great, because you must have learned enough to realize you don't know it all. Much of what you said was interesting, but not empirical. And never forget: While there are always similarities, from one election to another, every new prez. election has dynamics flowing through it that haven't been seen before, and they very much affect the outcome.

[BillyBoy]

>> But you threw out some potential dem prez candidates... without mentioning who the nominee will be: Hilary. <<

Yeah, yeah, yeah, EVEN though every Dem is scared stiff over the thought of running the Hilderbeast after Kerry's whupping (BTW the "buzz" about Hillary on DU is equivalent to how Freepers feel about nominating Newt Gingrich for Prez), we should ASSUME she ends up being nominated anyway, THEREFORE we can ANY conservative from a ultra "R" state and just waltz into the White House. Right.

Reminds me of when the Illinois Republican Party was cocky and arrogant enough to run ANOTHER "Ryan" from ultra Republican DuPage county after the last Ryan proved to be a disaster, cuz well, they just KNEW the Dem nominee an unelectable type like Attorney General Roland Burris.

Great strategy. Here in Illinois, it got us Governor Blagojevich.