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Student's T-shirts kindle gay rights conflict: ACLU to the rescue: Missouri
Kansas City (Missouri) Star (you may have to register, but itis free) ^ | Fri, Nov. 05, 2004 | STEVE ROCK

Posted on 11/05/2004 9:00:38 AM PST by rface

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I don't have a problem, theoretically, with this student wearing this T-shirt, as long as the ACLU doesn't have a problem with the throngs of students who will come to school wearing - lets say, 10 Commandment T-shirts, or some other traditional value themes on their T-shirts

Perhaps the way for the school district to address this issue is to have a policy that forbids printed T-shirts altogether - but I suspect that the ACLU will try a double-standard approach.

I hope the school board will stand up, and not cower like a whipped dog

1 posted on 11/05/2004 9:00:38 AM PST by rface
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To: rface

Perhaps its time for the right to start
whipping back...

MV


2 posted on 11/05/2004 9:02:40 AM PST by madvlad
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As long as his clothes dont include hatefull words, vulgarity, or something else that would impedee the learning process then who cares, and honestly if you just had the picture without the article I wouldnt have even noticed what the subject matter of the shirt was


3 posted on 11/05/2004 9:05:16 AM PST by toledocon
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To: rface

"Perhaps the way for the school district to address this issue is to have a policy that forbids printed T-shirts altogether "

Now there's a thought. That would be my call. If they allow printed T-shirts, they're going to have to allow any that aren't obscene. That's how free speech works. If they allow no printed T-shirts at all, then there it is. No printed T-shirts. That's equality under the law.


4 posted on 11/05/2004 9:08:06 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: toledocon

I agree, but I am waiting for the ACLU to go for a double-standar, seperation of Church and School strategy. But I may be very wrong


5 posted on 11/05/2004 9:10:49 AM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri - Monthly Donor / Bad Speller)
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To: rface

I don't have a problem, theoretically, with this student wearing this T-shirt, as long as the ACLU doesn't have a problem with the throngs of students who will come to school wearing - lets say, 10 Commandment T-shirts, or some other traditional value themes on their T-shirts

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yup. exactly.


6 posted on 11/05/2004 9:10:56 AM PST by BoBToMatoE
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If they allow no printed T-shirts at all, then there it is. No printed T-shirts. That's equality under the law.

Better to go to school uniforms, save money by only needing one or two outfits for school. Maybe bring back "Yes Sir" and "Yes Ma'am"

7 posted on 11/05/2004 9:11:32 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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No one can wear a Confederate Flag t-shirt so this kid's t-shirt should be treated in the same way. If the ACLU gets this to go their way, then by all means trot out the Flag tees. Let all see the hypocrisy of the left. One can't be favored over the other. This PC bs needs to END!


8 posted on 11/05/2004 9:12:33 AM PST by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT, PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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As long as his clothes dont include hatefull words, vulgarity, or something else that would impedee the learning process then who cares, and honestly if you just had the picture without the article I wouldnt have even noticed what the subject matter of the shirt was

Problem is, this is subject to interpretation. How can one make the decision that it is fine to promote an agenda that many find morally offensive? What if the shirt advocated for NAMBLA? In the end, it does come down to what people find objectionable. Schools should not be platforms for promoting agendas where we see the halls lined with pro-choice/pro-life, pro-gay marriage/anti-gay marriage t-shirts. Easiest way for schools to deal with this is to say that school is not the place for anyone(especially teachers) to promote their political agenda and focus on educating the students so that Johnny can actually read what is on the T-shirts when he is off school property.


9 posted on 11/05/2004 9:13:19 AM PST by stopillegalimmigration
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"Better to go to school uniforms, save money by only needing one or two outfits for school. Maybe bring back "Yes Sir" and "Yes Ma'am""

Boy, I'd sure have no argument with that at all. Uniforms can be very simple and inexpensive. Something like dark trousers and white shirts or sweaters for boys and dark skirts or pants and a white blouse or sweater for girls.

That would allow some choice of colors and styles, but would be uniform and non-distracting.

Kids are in school to learn, not to show their "attributes," as far as I'm concerned.


10 posted on 11/05/2004 9:14:14 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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...10 Commandment T-shirts, or some other traditional value themes on their T-shirts

If it's fair to let him wear his gay-rights T-shirt, then the other students should be able to wear anti-gay T-shirts, pro 2nd Amendment T-shirts and others that would certainly lead to an unworkable situation for teachers.

I agree that the policy should be "No printed T-shirts. Period."

11 posted on 11/05/2004 9:17:25 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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To me, the telling statement in this pieces is this

“It's exciting,” he said. “It gives you an adrenaline rush. And I like the attention. I can't lie about that.”

The kid is "shouting" for love and attention. Where's his father in all of this? I didn't see him mentioned and he's the key to this whole thing.

Personally, I don't think the shirt is that big of a deal and agree that if he can wear it, then other forms of expressive shirts should be allowed as well.

12 posted on 11/05/2004 9:20:38 AM PST by FightforFreedomCA (big bang theory: in the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.)
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I agree. A policy of "No printed T-shirts" teaches the kids nothing about judgement or personal responsibility. I'm tired of this "zero tolerance" BS.

Let the principal make the call.

13 posted on 11/05/2004 9:28:30 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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This boy needs to get his mind off his Cadwallader and back on his schoolwork.


14 posted on 11/05/2004 9:39:00 AM PST by Old Professer (About the hearty and haughty the humble harbor a horrid hatred that hobbles the heavy heart.)
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"I agree. A policy of "No printed T-shirts" teaches the kids nothing about judgement or personal responsibility. I'm tired of this "zero tolerance" BS.
Let the principal make the call."

Problem with that is that the principal of your school may be a screaming liberal. So, he'd allow the gay rights T-shirt, but not the 10 Commandments one.

Not all principals are principled, if you know what I mean.


15 posted on 11/05/2004 9:39:39 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: rface

I think schools should be able to dictate their dress codes.


16 posted on 11/05/2004 9:40:31 AM PST by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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I understand. And when these kids graduate and get a job, their boss may be a liberal.

High school is a great place to learn how to either deal with it or live with it.

Not the workplace.

17 posted on 11/05/2004 9:44:49 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: FightforFreedomCA

I agree with you. Where kids lack the presence of a loving guiding father things go terribly wrong...


18 posted on 11/05/2004 9:47:08 AM PST by QuiMundus (Learn, Act, Educate, Repeat)
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his tshirt IS vulgar in its message - those who see nothing wrong have already fallen to the depths of depravity the leftist have been pushing for a;lmost 100 years in the USA --- see Antonio Gramsci to see how you have been brainwashed and conditioned.


19 posted on 11/05/2004 9:51:03 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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What!??!
Dress codes? Common courtesy? You...you FACIST PIG!!!!
How dare you!
Next you'll want ethics and morals as part of the curriculum.
(just kidding!!)
Sounds good to me.
20 posted on 11/05/2004 9:58:09 AM PST by cavtrooper21 (This isn't a lab... it's HELL with fluorescent lighting.)
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