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Girl Hiding In Leaf Pile Dies After Father Parks Car On Top Of Her
WFTV.com ^ | 11/4/2004 | AP

Posted on 11/05/2004 6:39:04 AM PST by TChris

Edited on 11/05/2004 6:45:36 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

METHUEN, Mass. -- A 10-year-old girl was killed when her father parked his truck in a pile of leaves in which she and a friend were hiding, the family said. The other girl was seriously injured.

Family members said 36-year-old construction worker James Gravel did not know he had run over the girls until he got out and heard daughter Natalie calling him.

"She said, 'Daddy, I can't breathe,"' said Gravel's sister, Jennifer Gravel.

Natalie died at a hospital of head and chest injuries. Eight-year-old Meredith Reid was in critical condition Thursday.

Police said no charges were planned.

Gravel's two other children, ages 11 and 7, were in the truck at the time.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: accident; safety; tragedy; tragic
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To: camle
i don't think that it's a thin veneer to assume that when you run somebody or something over that you feel a bump.

Non sequitur. Bumpy ground will make a bump. too.

Methuen is a well-to-do boston suburb and i hardly think that there are too many "potter's field" driveways around.

It's about the same population density as Fredericksburg, VA. Allow me to thereby invalidate your point, since I know Fredericksburg well. Besides, who said anything about a driveway? Another unwritten fact you implied from the article. Care to guess how many of my vehicles are actually parked in my driveway?

and not parking on a big pile of leaves is like looking both ways when you cross the street. should be common sense.

Parking what? How big a pile? Parking a Yugo on a three foot pile may not make sense. Parking a 4x4 on a 1 foot "pile" isn't even worth noting.

As for common sense - common sense would dictate that you don't conclude negligence unless you know all the facts. Except for you.

an activist judge? aw now that hurts! I didnt' glean anything out of that story like some other folks did like about fences, garagae, etc..

No, you just gleaned a lot of unwritten information about the relative fire hazard in what he did, the size of his yard, the information he was operating on, what he was doing, etc.

but you said something about tear-assing around in the yard without knowing who or what was about? something like that. how do you know that that isn't what he was doing?

Exactly. Thank you for making my point. I don't know that he wasn't being negligent. You don't know that he was. You don't even know what the article means by park. The title says car, the body says truck - if by 'car' they mean 'truck', it's hard to know what any of it implies. Except for you, I guess.

were the kids in the truck in the cab or in the bed?

What, you haven't found the answer to this question IMPLIED in the article somewhere? Hmmm, you must be slipping.
141 posted on 11/05/2004 11:44:11 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: camle
maybe i'm just crochety!

LOL, Don't even TRY for my title as resident curmudgeon.

142 posted on 11/05/2004 11:50:35 AM PST by Protagoras (.Abolishing government schools is the first step in stopping the madness.)
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To: beezdotcom

can you tell me a circumstance where parking on a pile of leaves is a GOOD idea?

one doesn't have to glean much to know that the hot parts of a car can ignite leaves, and therefore parking on them isn't too smart, but go ahead - tell me when would parking on a pile of leaves be smart?


143 posted on 11/05/2004 11:51:40 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: Protagoras

well at least i didn't call you an activist judge!!!:-)


144 posted on 11/05/2004 11:53:30 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: camle

He is still on a role! I thought he was praying to be mellow?


145 posted on 11/05/2004 11:55:18 AM PST by missyme
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To: camle

Nope,, I didn't call you that either, that was some other miscreant. I remember distinctly what I call people.


146 posted on 11/05/2004 11:58:51 AM PST by Protagoras (.Abolishing government schools is the first step in stopping the madness.)
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To: Protagoras

Do you barbecque in your house?


147 posted on 11/05/2004 11:58:57 AM PST by missyme
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To: missyme

LOL~! we're just having a civilized discussion here. actually my firends call ME mellow!


148 posted on 11/05/2004 11:59:00 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: Protagoras

lol~! I know. just letting you know how nasty some folks can be:-)

not that I'd turn down the rumored stratospheric salaries these judges get!


149 posted on 11/05/2004 12:00:10 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: camle

Oh Okay..Just wanted to make sure you were alright :)


150 posted on 11/05/2004 12:00:36 PM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
He is still on a role!

What role? Oh,,you meant roll.

And I was praying for you to see what you did wrong and repent. But hey, it's almost Miller time, so I'm laying off you. LOL

151 posted on 11/05/2004 12:01:56 PM PST by Protagoras (.Abolishing government schools is the first step in stopping the madness.)
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To: missyme

oh I'm fine. these guys won't let me go gently into the night...

we just have differences of opinion is all, it's just that some people have problems with that.


152 posted on 11/05/2004 12:02:00 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: beezdotcom

Leave it to someone at FreeRepublic to imply that the guy PURPOSELY ran over his little girl. I hate when Freepers act this way.


153 posted on 11/05/2004 12:02:42 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: Protagoras

have a miller fer me - i can't touch the stuff anymore.


154 posted on 11/05/2004 12:02:42 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: camle
tell me when would parking on a pile of leaves be smart?

Anytime the height of the vehicle is sufficient not to be a fire hazard. Then, it's not a matter of smart or stupid, it's a non-issue.

My truck is parked right now at home in the middle of a SEA of leaves a foot deep. There's still a foot between those and any part of the underbelly of the truck. The leaves are still awaiting my efforts to scoop them into the bed and cover them with a tarp to haul away. It's SMART for me to park here, since it would be stupid to park 100 yards away and haul the leaves the extra distance.

I can think of other scenarios, but I doubt you'd care.
155 posted on 11/05/2004 12:02:48 PM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: TChris

This is the saddest thing I have heard in a long time. May God hold up this family in what must be an unbearable situation... :-(


156 posted on 11/05/2004 12:04:53 PM PST by whoozit
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To: beezdotcom

don't tell me that since your truck is tall enough that you can park on a foot high pile of leaves that you're inferring that our methuen guy's truck is like that too?;-)

what would you have done had there been a rake buried in that pile of leaves and punctured your tires?


157 posted on 11/05/2004 12:05:12 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: camle; missyme
oh I'm fine. these guys won't let me go gently into the night...

Nobody is forcing you to type. Perhaps I should try to determine some extra IMPLIED facts from this statement?
158 posted on 11/05/2004 12:05:13 PM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: missyme
Do you barbecque in your house?

What is that? Oh,,Barbecue?

Yes,, we do roasted doofus a few times a summer. I'm very good at cookin' 'em.

159 posted on 11/05/2004 12:05:18 PM PST by Protagoras (.Abolishing government schools is the first step in stopping the madness.)
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To: TChris

How hideous. Prayer bump.


160 posted on 11/05/2004 12:07:32 PM PST by Prince Charles
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