It's Official - The South Won the Civil War!

11-3-04 | Always Right

[Always Right]

My history books said the south lost the Civil War, but apparently that was just a battle. The south lost the battle of 1861-1865, but now are winning the war.

Excuse the map, I could not find one that had all the states colored in.

[BykrBayb]

GOP, I see what you mean. Please don't make him stop. This is the best laugh I've had in weeks.

[Non-Sequitur]

She thought she owned slaves, but she was mistaken? You get more entertaining as you go along.

I doubt that it was she who was confused. The book was ghost written and not published until years after she had died. But I raised a couple of points on how she couldn't have had a slave at the time she was supposed to have. I don't suppose you have anything that refutes that, do you?

[Shazolene]

I just picked up something from the color printer here (I work at Stanford U, near San Francisco) -- it was a map of North America divided into "United States of Canada" (Canada with California and the Northeast annexed) and "Jesusland" (the rest of the US).

The Union forever! They will never break up this country! and they're crazy to want to...

SORE LOSERS again!

[BykrBayb]

I didn't think you would. You have enough difficulty understanding your own posts.

[Non-Sequitur]

GOP, I see what you mean. Please don't make him stop. This is the best laugh I've had in weeks.

Why I'm glad I could return the favor. I've been reading your stuff, too.

[BykrBayb]

But I raised a couple of points on how she couldn't have had a slave at the time she was supposed to have.

No you didn't. You jumped to that conclusion, and expected the rest of us to follow you over the cliff.

I don't suppose you have anything that refutes that, do you?

Already posted by bushpilot. It's not my fault that the truth doesn't mesh with the fantasy taught to you by some liberal "teacher." You should be angry about being lied to, not about finally being told the truth.

[Non-Sequitur]

It's not my fault that the truth doesn't mesh with the fantasy taught to you by some liberal "teacher."

You mean it's not your fault that I haven't swallowed the southron myth whole. It's a fact that the Missouri Constitution was amended to end slavery in the state, and that amendment took place in January 1965. It's a fact that Grant makes no mention of this supposed visit to Richmond in his autobiography, and no mention is made of such a visit in his biographies. It's a fact that Missouri records show that the Dent family slaves were emancipated in early 1863. So the facts seem to be stacking up against you, and the fact that you refuse to accept the truth surprises me not at all. The truth is so inconvenient to the southern cause after all.

[capitan_refugio]

CR - "The Supreme Court finds:

(1) The rebellion is an insurrection and not a war between countries,
(2) The "so-called blockade" was not a blockade under international law, and
(3) Closing the ports was a valid exercise of executive authority."

Correct conclusions, all three of them! - wrong citation.

[capitan_refugio]

"That is what happened to volunteer units - they were taken into the army as regulars."

The 1st Colorado, in particular, were as green as you could get. They had little formal training beyond marching and were pulled from the mining districts around Denver. They were in no way shape or form "regulars."

"How does a militiaman become a regular?"

Add fiber to his diet? I believe the answer is you enlist with a regular army unit. You are well aware that most Union outfits, and almost every confederate unit, were organized as volunteer units. Very few carried the appellation "U.S." or "C.S.A." Some had professional officers in command, others elected their own officers up to the rank of colonel.

[BykrBayb]

Wow! Not until January 1965? Talk about being a day late and a dollar short.

Funny how you are willing to accept certain "facts" as being the entire truth, while ignoring any and all facts that prove you are wrong. Your problem obviously goes beyond ignorance for having been lied to. You must know the lies you were spoonfed while growing up are lies, but instead of accepting the truth, you try to snare everyone else into believing the lies. There are many events that Grant never mentioned. That doesn't prove they didn't occur. Your arguments are just too hollow to take seriously.

[cmurphy]

First off, I'm hardly a liberal. You should read through my post before making such claims. My whole point is that the Republican Party had it's starts in the North in a culture of freedom for everyone.

The Democrats were the party of the South and continued to be so until more recent times. During the 70's Democrats from the south began to switch to the Republican party, realizing that their beliefs were better matched with the GOP. Today the Democrat Party is still full of racist, such as Robert Byrd who was a member of the KKK. Through lies and manipulation, the Democratic Party has convinced Blacks, that it's the party for them. And they continue a form of slavery called welfare. The Democratic Party refuses the idea of individual thought and advancement.

Learn a little bit about the history of the Republican Party before bashing me. On the subject of racism, it's very true that the DEMOCRATS are where most racist reside. For instance, it was the DEMOCRATS that fought against civil rights for blacks.

Now pay attention as we go through a quick history lesson. The Republican Party started in 1854 when men met together in Jackson, Mich., to discuss how to abolish slavery. The first Republican candidate was John C. Fremont. He used the slogan: "Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men, Fremont." Those ideals have continued through the years with the Republican Party. The idea of "the primacy of individuals". The first Civil Rights Act was passed in 1866 and recognized blacks as U.S. citizens. Republicans proposed the 14th Amendment which became part of the Constitution in 1868. Later in 1964, it was the congressional Republicans that help pass the Civil Rights Act. 79% of Republicans in the house voted for it, while only 63% of the Democrats did. Also the Republicans (81% of them) voted to end a filibuster in the Senate that allowed the bill to be voted on, while only 65% of the Democrats voted to end the filibuster. It was the Republican Earl Warren that declared racial segregation in public schools unconstitutional.

The only reason the South is intergrated is because of the Republican Party. By the way....welcome to the Republican Party!!!

[GOPcapitalist]

Oh, he won't stop so long as he has something to respond to. As I said, just think of him as Ben Stiller in Dodgeball...

White Goodman : Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now. Save yourself the embarrassment of losing with these losers in Las Vegas, La Fleur.
Peter La Fleur : Alliteration aside, I'll take my chances in the tournament.
White Goodman : Yeah, you will take your chances.
Peter La Fleur : I know. I just said that.
White Goodman : I know you did.
Peter La Fleur : I'm not sure where you're going with this. White Goodman : I'm not sure where you're going with this.
Peter La Fleur : That's what I said.
White Goodman : That's what I'm saying to you.
Peter La Fleur : All right.
White Goodman : Touché.

...except with Non-Sequitur, who incidentally is a walking, talking non-sequitur, you'll never get the touche. Instead it will continue ala...

White Goodman/Non-Seq: all righty right then!
Peter La Fleur: Are you done yet?
White Goodman: It'll be done when the doneness is done.
Peter La Fleur: Well I'm done.
White Goodman: I'll say when it's done, and you're done Mr. Doney-done.
Peter La Fleur: That's what I just said, alright?
White Goodman: all righty right then! (followed by a repitition of the previous, the only difference being an unprovoked slur against Jefferson Davis tossed in every now and then)

The truly sad part of it all is he doesn't realize how badly he's being mocked. I bet he has a mullet and a trailer trash mustache.

[GOPcapitalist]

The 1st Colorado, in particular, were as green as you could get.

Being green does not preclude one from also being a volunteer unit in the the regular army, capitan. They may have had the experience of militiamen. They may have even fought like militiamen for all I care. But officially speaking they were a volunteer company in the regular army, NOT a militia as you dishonestly attempted to pass them off.

[BykrBayb]

That's an interesting mish-mash of garbage, but what does it have to do with defending your accusation that Southerners are racist democrats? Your liberal tactics will not earn you the label of Conservative around these parts. You can't even admit the truth that you're posting from a bastian of liberalism. How can anyone expect you to accept any other facts? If you have no facts to share, and reading the facts is too nauseating for you, go back to pushing your "small marketing/advertising firm" at DU.

[FreedomNotSafety]

Let's not forget what Zell is saying. He says that the current GOP is the National Party circa 1940. I still do not like the comparison but believe it to be accurate. Therefore I say give the south credit for staying true to their political convictions.

[capitan_refugio]

Here is a cut and paste from an older post. You might even recognize it. It points out the distinct differences between volunteer units and regulary army:

"Since Congress was not in session, President Lincoln began the war buildup in May 1861 with a proclamation of doubtful constitutionality. On the strength of his executive authority, he summoned thirty-nine regiments of volunteer infantry and one of cavalry to serve for three years. His next step was to authorize an addition of eight infantry regiments to the Regular Army. Somehow a ninth got included. Thereafter, the nineteen regiments in being- the 1st through the 19th- were the whole of the Regular infantry during the war. So neglected a part of the whole establishment were these nineteen that they were never able to attain their full authorized strength."

[BykrBayb]

I know it's unkind to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person, but it's almost as much fun as celebrating new reports of Arafat's death every couple hours. Or watching a train wreck full of liberals who are able to walk out of the burning cars, but insist on staying. I know I should stop. I know I should allow him to cling to his ignorance, as it's probably the only comfort he knows. Is threatening his reality as morally repugnant as pulling the wings off flies? I hope not, because I intend to continue.

[cmurphy]

Interesting mish-mash of garbage? Which fact did I get wrong about Civil Rights???

My accusation is that Democrats in the south WERE racist. Not all of them, maybe not even most of them. I honestly don't understand the justification for Slavery. Slavery is RACIST, no matter how you try to justify it. It goes against Christianity in every way. And certainly this isn't the main driving force behind the Southern Democrats today. Thankfully many of the Southern Democrats have switched over to the Republican party and oppose racism of any kind.

I will give Southern Democrats credit for bringing many great contributions to the Republican Party. Smaller government and state rights for example.

As to where I'm posting from, that would be on the border of Washington and Idaho. My county and all the county's around my county went to Bush. Idaho went BIG time to Bush.

The reason that Bush did so well, is because of Conservative Christians. God loving Americans won the election, not the Old Rebel Confederate South. The south just happens to be where a good majority of Conservative Christians live. But we are everywhere!!!

Your label of liberal is misplaced here.

[GOPcapitalist]

Volunteers are different in nature from existing enlistees WITHIN the regular army, capitan. But that was not your original post's claim. You tried to pass of volunteers in the army as state and territorial militiamen.

Not only is that a falsehood but it also confuses two types of soldiers with two very different command structures. Volunteer units are federally controlled and State Militia units are state controlled.

Volunteer units in the regular army operate under federal command by definition. State militias are commanded by the states and only called into the service of the federal government as necessary and for temporary periods.

[BykrBayb]

I see from your post that the lies are so deeply imbedded in your soul, you will probably never open your eyes to the truth. You draw parallels where none exist, and make assumptions based on lies. Since you're not willing to learn, it would be best if you just went back to your safe little fantasy land. Reality is not for you.