Dutch Filmmaker Theo Van Gogh Murdered

AP via Yahoo ^ | Nov 02, 2004 | na

[Max Combined]

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A Dutch filmmaker who had criticized the treatment of women under Islam in a movie and in newspaper columns was shot dead Tuesday outside a city government office in Amsterdam, police said

Police spokeswoman Elly Florax confirmed media reports the victim was filmmaker Theo van Gogh and that a suspect had been arrested after a shootout in a local park. The suspect, who was not identified, and a police officer were injured, she said.

No motive was given for the attack.

Van Gogh had made headlines recently with a film critical of some elements of Islamic culture. He also wrote columns about the Islam which were published on his Web site, www.theovangogh.nl, and Dutch newspaper Metro. He had reportedly received death threats following the airing of the film.

The short television film "Submission" aired on Dutch television in August and enraged the Muslim community in the Netherlands which said it was provocative and lacked insight.

It told the fictional story of a Muslim woman forced into a violent marriage, raped by a relative and brutally punished for adultery.

The English-language film was scripted by a right-wing politician who years ago renounced the Islamic faith of her birth and now refers to herself as an "ex-Muslim."

Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a member of the Dutch parliament, has repeatedly outraged fellow Muslims by criticizing Islamic customs and the failure of Muslim families to adopt Dutch ways.

The place of Muslim immigrants in Dutch society has long been a contentious issue in the Netherlands, where many right-wing politicians have pushed for tougher immigration laws and say Muslims already settled in the country must make a greater effort to assimilate.

Theo van Gogh, 47, has often come under criticism for his controversial movies. In December, his next movie "06-05," about the May 6, 2002 assassination of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn, is scheduled to debut on the Internet.

[bwteim]

Utah used to have a firing squad...

[GeekDejure]

FIght them there before the come here.
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They're already here... e.g., wherever it comes, Islam brings its delightful customs – child marriages, female circumcisions, rabid hatred toward Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and every other non-muslim, terrorism and support for terrorism and a virulent intolerance of other faiths as it invades the local population !!!

We currently see this happening... right now... today... in Hamtramk, Michigan... where the ignorant city councel has purposely given Muslims permission to pollute the entire city with high-powered loud speaker screechings from the top of their mosques, from morning to night, six times a day, seven days a week, as they scream Muslim chants to glorify their pagan moon god Allah, and his child molesting, head chopping prophet, Mohammud (burning Hell be upon him). And the ACLU backs them 100%, threatening to sue anyone who dares to complain !!!

Yes, yes... the ACLU... the American Civil Liberties Union... but in reality it's the Arabic Communist Lucifer Union, championing their "cleave unto" plan of action against Judeo-Christian America. And then they further defend it by saying... "Hey, it's no different then when you disgustingly filthy, pig fat polluted, less than human Infidels ring your damned evil church bells on Sunday morning." !!!

So... am I suggesting that we declare war on over 1 million, billion, trillion, zillion Muslims? The question is moot – ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON THE REST OF THE HUMAN RACE! When one side knows it’s at war and the other thinks peace and brotherhood prevail, guess who wins???

Ultimately, it is not about Jews in Israel, or Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, or Hindus in Kashmir, Buddhists in Thailand, or Maronite Catholics in Lebanon, Taoists in China, or Christians in Sudan, Nigeria and Russia... but ALL OF US. As Ben Franklin would have it – Either we will "hang" together, or surely we shall all "hang" separately (now swap "be decapitated" for "hang" to properly update Mr. Franklin to current Muzzle-em reality) !!!

[ruready4eternity]

You are right my friend, If you look at it that way, they are here- just sleeping and biding their time until the right moment to call a jihad (allah akbar) upon us. Well the question I ask, arent these "Mosques" store front organizations that sell peace in front and weapons in the back going to get a visit and shut down by Mr. Ashcroft ? FBI? I am just afraid that this thing is going to boil over to the point of the "people" taking it into their own hands and spilkling into the streets. another 911 type od scenario, And there will anarchy and the blood will spill on the streets.

[ruready4eternity]

You are right my friend, If you look at it that way, they are here- just sleeping and biding their time until the right moment to call a jihad (allah akbar) upon us. Well the question I ask, arent these "Mosques" store front organizations that sell peace in front and weapons in the back going to get a visit and shut down by Mr. Ashcroft ? FBI? I am just afraid that this thing is going to boil over to the point of the "people" taking it into their own hands and spilkling into the streets. another 911 type od scenario, And there will anarchy and the blood will spill on the streets.

[Little Ray]

Actually it is more like:

.5% want to kill us.

25% want to help kill us.

74.5% Don't care if the other 25.5% try to kill us, as long as they are not killed, harmed or otherwise disturbed.

[knighthawk]

Islamic justification of this murder:

From the koran:

017.033
YUSUFALI: Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
PICKTHAL: And slay not the life which Allah hath forbidden save with right. Whoso is slain wrongfully, We have given power unto his heir, but let him not commit excess in slaying. Lo! he will be helped.
SHAKIR: And do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause, and whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority, so let him not exceed the just limits in slaying; surely he is aided.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/017.qmt.html

So you can kill anyone if it's for a just cause. What is a just cause? The hadith tells the story of a Jewish poet who, just like Theo van Gogh, insult islam, allah and his messenger:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:
Narrated Jabir Abdullah:
Allah's messenger said "Who is willing to kill Ka`b bin al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?" Thereupon Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's messenger! Would you like that I kill him?" The prophet said, "Yes". Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka`b). The prophet said, "You may say it."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.369

[Max Combined]

"Neither do they."

Oh. I see. So what did happen on 911, pray tell?

[Max Combined]

"Nineteen people out of a billion killed themselves and us."

Nineteen people of a very large group of Jihadist terrorist group killed themselves and many of us. Immediately afterwards, millions of Muslims rejoiced at the daring and success of the operations. Impromptu dancing, singing, and handing out of candies followed forthwith. Bin Laden was hailed as the greatest hero in the Islamic World. Thousands of Muslim babies were named Osama to honor him. Hundreds of Muslim Clerics praised the attack from their pulpits.

Don't make yourself look stupid by trying to pretend that it is only nineteen people in the Islamic World who were engaged or supported jihad against the West. This is a war against Militant Islam we are engaged against, and militant Islam is the fastest growing type of Islam and has been picking up speed ever since the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan and the taking over of the US Embassy in Iran.

[weegee]

The goal of leftist socialists and ROPers is the same: overthrow of Christian/Western civilization.

[weegee]

Sounds like the muslims murdered this man (certainly there were death threats) for speaking out against Islam.

If he had been in an Islamic nation, perhaps their laws would have permitted killing this man but when they are out of their ancient kingdoms they have to abide by modern civilization's rules.

[Max Combined]

"Don't start it without reason."

I didn't start it. The millions of Jihadists started it. We can either fight back or be conquered. Those are the only two options.

[weegee]

I consider ALL muslims to be lost sheep even if I do not consider all of them a violent threat.

They follow Mohammed's false Bible rewritten from the Christian text. He denied the divinity of Christ and the resurrection. As a holy figure, usurping the rest of the book, that makes him AN antiChrist figure, if not THE antiChrist.

People following Wiccan religions, astrology, etc. are also following false paths. I see no reason to prohibit such practices although would like to see them all find truth.

[weegee]

The war is here whether or not we (or peaceful muslims) want to fight it.

The war is not on Islam but it may become that. Islam must undergo a reformation movement to ERADICATE violent radical Islam.

Islamic law must rule NO nation. There cannot be 3 classes of people under the law: Muslims, Jews/Christians, and "everybody else".

Freedom of religion must exist in Islamic nations (not under penalty of the sword). Freedom to be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, Atheist, Wiccan, Pagan, etc (maybe even Scientologist).

I have seen much more outspoken criticism on Ask The Imam about those who accept homosexuality than any who accept violent jihad against the infidel, Jews, and Christians. If the "peaceful" muslims don't prune the violent "not real muslims" from their ranks (including clerics, mosques, and front organizations) then the baby WILL be thrown out with the bathwater.