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Civilization and Its Enemies - The Next Stage of History
Civilization and Its Enemies - The Next Stage of History, Free Press | 2004 | Lee Harris

Posted on 10/28/2004 10:26:07 AM PDT by Noumenon

From the Preface of Civilization and Its Enemies – The Next Stage of History by Lee Harris

The subject of this book is forgetfulness.

By this I do not mean our tendency to misplace valuable objects, or our inability to recall the name of he boss’s dog, but the collective and cultural amnesia the over comes any group of human beings who have long benefited fro tm the blessings of civilization – an amnesia first observed nearly eight hundred years ago by the Arab philosopher of history Ibn Khaldun, contemplating the rise and fall of those great feats of organized life that we call by such terms as societies, states and empires.

Forgetfulness occurs when those who have been long accustomed to civilized order can no longer remember a time in which they had to wonder whether their crops would grow to maturity without being stole or whether their children would be sold into slavery by a victorious foe. Even then it is necessary for parents, and even grandparents, to have forgotten as well, so that there is no living link between the tranquility of the present generation and those dismal periods in which the world behaved very much in accordance with the rules governing Thomas Hobbes’ state of nature, where human life was “solitary, poore, nasty, brutish and short.” When parents have forgotten what that world was like, they can hardly be expected to teach their children how it was or what one had to do in order to survive in it.

Civilized people forget that in order to produce a civilization there must be what German sociologist Norbert Elias ahs called “the civilizing process,” and that this process, if it is to be successful, must begin virtually at our birth, and hence many long years before the child can have any say about the kind of training that he would have preferred. They forget that the civilizing process we undergo must duplicate that of our neighbors, if we are to understand each other in our day-to0-day intercourse. If you are taught to spit at a man who offers to shake your hand, and do when I offer mine, we will not easily get along.

Civilized people forget how much work it is not to kill one’s neighbors, simply because this work was done by our ancestors so that it could be willed to us as an heirloom. They forget that in time of danger, in the face of the enemy, they must trust and confide in each other, or perish. They forget that to fight an enemy it is necessary to have a leader whom you trust, and how, at such times, this trust is a civic duty and not evidence of one’s credulity. They forget, in short, that there has ever been a category of human experience called the enemy.

That, before 9/11, was what had happened to us. The very concept of the enemy had been banished from our moral and political vocabulary. An enemy was just a friend we hadn’t done enough for yet. Or perhaps there had been a misunderstanding, an oversight on our part-something that we could correct.

Our first task therefore is to try to grasp what the concept of the enemy really means. The enemy is someone who is willing to die in order to kill you. And while it is true that the enemy always hates us for a reason, it is his reason and not ours. He does not hate us for our faults any more than for our virtues. He sees a different world from ours, and in he world he sees, we are his enemy. That is hard for us to comprehend, but we must if we are to grasp what the concept of the enemy means.

For Himmler, the Jewish children whom he ordered the SS to murder were the enemy because they would grow up to avenge the death of their fathers, who had been the enemy before them. We have killed their parents; they will want to kill our children. Hence we have no choice but to kill them first. The fact that they had done nothing themselves, and were incapable of doing anything themselves, was irrelevant.

This is how mankind always thought of the enemy- as the one who, if you do not kill him first, will sooner or later kill you. And those who see the world this way see it very differently from those who do not.

This is the major fact of our time. We are caught in the midst of a conflict between those for whom the category of the enemy is essential to their way of organizing all human experience and those who have banished even the idea of the enemy from both public discourse and even their innermost thoughts.

But those who abhor thinking of the world through the category of the enemy must still be prepared to think about the category of the enemy. That is, even if you refuse to think of anyone else as an enemy, you must acknowledge that there are people who do in fact think this way.

Yet even this minimal step is a step that many of our leading intellectuals refuse to take, despite the revelation that occurred on 9/11. they want to see 9/11 as a means to an end and not an end in itself. But 9/11 was an end in itself, and that is where we must begin.

Why do they hate us? They hate us because we are their enemy.

…It is the enemy who defines us as his enemy, and in making this definition he changes us, and changes us whether we like it or not. We cannot be the same after we have been defined as an enemy as we were before.

That is why those who uphold the values of the Enlightenment so often refuse to recognize that those who are trying to kill us are their enemy. They hope that by pretending that the enemy is simply misguided, or misunderstood, or politically immature, he will cease to be an enemy. This is an illusion. To see the enemy as someone who is merely an awkward negotiator of sadly lacking in savoir faire and diplomatic aplomb is perverse. It shows contempt for the depth and sincerity of his convictions, a terrible mistake to make when you are dealing with someone who wants you dead.

We are the enemy of those who murdered us on 9/11. And if you are an enemy, then you have an enemy. When you recognize it, this fact must change everything about the way you see the world.

Once someone sees you as the enemy, then you must yourself deal with this category of human experience, which is why societies that have enemies are radically different from those that do not. A society that lacks an enemy does not need to worry about how to defend itself against him. I does not need to teach its children how to fight and how not to run when they are being attacked by men who want to kill them. I does not need to appoint a single man to make instant decisions that affect the well-being of the entire community, and it does not need to train the community to respond to his commands with unthinking obedience.

But societies with enemies must do all of these things, and do them very well, or else they perish.

Yet there is a problem with each of these various things that must be done to protect a society against its enemy. They are illiberal and they a re at odds with those values that civilized life has to offer – tolerance, individual liberty, government by consensus rather than by fiat, and rational cooperation. Thus it is not unnatural for those who prize such values to be reluctant to acknowledge the existence of an enemy serious enough to require illiberal measures and the yare correct to feel this way.

Thos who argue that war is not the answer are almost invariably right, and if civilization can be said to inhere in any one characteristic more conspicuously than in any other, it must certainly be in the preference for peaceful over violent methods of resolving conflict. To be sure, civilization consists in more than this, but this more is always dependent upon prereflective certainty that the people you must deal with will not resort to force or threat or intimidation when they are dealing with you.

The first duty of all civilization is to create pockets of peaceableness in which violence is not used as a means of achieving one’s objective, the second duty is to defend these pockets against those who would try to disrupt their peace either from within or without. Yet the values that bring peace are the opposite values from those that promote military prowess, and this poses a riddle that very few societies have been able to solve and then only fitfully. If you have managed to create your own pocket of peace - and its inseparable companion, prosperity – how will you keep those who envy you your prosperity from destroying your peace?

There is only one way; you must fight back; if your enemy insists on a war to the finish, then you have no choice but to fight such a war. It is your enemy, and not you, who decides what is a matter of life and death.

Once you have accepted this reality, however, you are faced with the problem of how to fight. If the enemy is composed of men who will stop at nothing, who are willing to die and to kill, then you must find men to fight on your side who will do the same. Only those who have mastered ruthlessness can defend their society from the ruthlessness of others.

This was the plight faced by the peasants in Kurosawa’s masterpiece, The Seven Samurai and by the dirt farmers in the American remake, The Magnificent Seven. Men and women who knew nothing of battle, the impoverished peasants of a remote village found themselves at the mercy of a gang of ruthless bandits who each year came at harvest to steal what the peasants had managed to eke from the soil. In their desperation, the farmers turned to the seven samurai, all of whom had fallen on hard times. But then, once the samurai had defeated the bandits, the question immediately arose in the peasants’ minds: “Now how do we rid ourselves of he samurai?”

Such ahs been the lot of most of mankind: a choice between the gangsters who come across the river to steal and the gangsters on this side of he river who do not need to steal because they have their own peasants to exploit. How else could it be? Given what we know of human nature, how could we expect there to be a government that wasn’t, in the final analysis, simply a protection racket that could make laws?

Yet this is not how Kurosawa’s movie ends. The samurai do not set themselves up as village warlords but instead move on, taking only the wages due them for their services. How was this possible? It was possible only because the samurai lived by a code of honor.

Codes of honor do not come cheap, and they cannot be created out thin air upon demand. The fact that you need samurai and not gangsters is no guarantee that you will get them; indeed, you will almost certainly not get them when you need them unless you had them with you all along.

A code of honor, to be effective when it is needed, requires a tradition that is blindly accepted by the men and women who are expected to live by this code. To work when it must, a code of honor must be the unspoken and unquestioned law governing a community; a law written not in law books but in the heart – something like an instinct.

A code of honor cannot be chosen by us; it can only be chosen for us. Fro if we look on it as one option among many, then we may opt out of it at will. I which case, the community will never be quite sure of us when the chips are down.

All of which explains why those who subscribe to the values of the Enlightenment find the existence of eh enemy so distressing.

The enemy challenges the Enlightenment’s insistence on the supremacy of pure reason by forcing us to respect those code of honor whose foundation is far more visceral than rational, a fact that explains the modern intellectual’s hatred for such codes in whatever guise they lurk. The enemy requires the continued existence of large groups of men and women who refuse to question authority and who are happy to take on blind faith the traditions that have been passed down to them. The enemy necessitates the careful cultivation of such high-testosterone values as brute physical courage and unthinking loyalty to a leader. The enemy demands instinctual patriotism and what Ibn Khaldun calls “group feeling,” that is, the sense of identification with one’s own people. The enemy propels into positions of command men who are accustomed to taking risks and who are willing to gamble with the lives of others, and shuns aside those who prefer the leisure of contemplation to the urgency of action. Lastly, the enemy shatters the Enlightenment’s visions of utopia, of Kant’s epoch of perpetual peace and of the end of history. And this is why so many European and American intellectuals refuse to acknowledge today even the possibility of the enemy’s existence, concocting theories to explain the actions of Al-Qaeda as something other than what they were.

This is why all utopian projects are set either on a distant island or in a hidden valley: they must exist in isolation from the rest of the world, to keep even the thought of the enemy at bay. Otherwise, they would have to deal with the problem of how to survive without abandoning their lofty ideals.

This is the problem that confronts us today.

The ideals that our intellectuals have been instilling in us are utopian ideals, designed for men and women who know no enemy and who do not need to take precautions against him. They are the values appropriate for a world in which everyone plays by the same rules, and accepts the same standards, of rational cooperation; they are fatally unrealistic in a world in which the enemy acknowledges no rule except that of ruthlessness. To insist on maintaining utopian values when your society is facing an enemy who wishes only to annihilate you is to invite annihilation. And that is unacceptable.

The only solution is for us to go back and unforget some of what we have forgotten, for our very forgetfulness is an obstacle to understanding the lessons of the past, so long as we insist on interpreting the past in ways which give comfort to our pet illusions. We want to believe that civilization came about because men decided one fine morning to begin living sensible, peaceful, rational lives; we refuse to acknowledge what it sot to achieve even the first step in this direction. Unless we can understand this first step, none of the rest will make any sense to us, and we will fail to see what is looming right in front of us.

The Greek way of expressing past and future differed from ours. We say that the past is behind us and the future is in front of us. To the Greeks, however, the past was before them, because they could plainly see its finished form standing in front of them: it was territory they had passed through and whose terrain they had charted. It was the future that was behind them, sneaking up like a thief in the night, full of dim imaginings and vast uncertainties. Nothing could penetrate the blackness of this unknown future except the rare flash of foresight that the Greeks called sophos, or wisdom. Yet even these flashes of wisdom depended entirely upon the capacity to remember that which is eternal and unchanging-which is precisely what we have almost forgotten.

The past tells that there can be no end of history, no realm of perpetual peace, and that those who are convinced by this illusion are risking al that they hold dear. The past tells us that there will always be an enemy as long as men care enough about anything to stake a claim to it, and thus enmity is built into the very nature of things. The past tells us that the next stage of history will be a tragic conflict between two different ways of life, which both have much that is worthy of admiration in them but which cannot coexist in the same world. But the past does not, and cannot, tell us how it will end this time.

That is why it is impossible simply to stand by and not take sides. No outcome is assured by any deep logic of history or by any iron law of human development. Individual civilizations rise and fall; in each case the fall was not inevitable, but due to the decisions – or lack of decision – of the human beings whose ancestors had created the civilization for them, but who had forgotten the secret of how to preserve it for their own children.

We ourselves are dangerously near this point, which is all the more remarkable considering how close we are still to 9/11. It is as if 9/11 has become simply an event in the past and not the opening up of a new epoch in human history, one that will be ruled by the possibility of catastrophic terror, just a previous historical epochs were ruled by other possible forms of historical catastrophe, from attack by migratory hordes to totalitarian takeover, from warrior gangs to the threat of nuclear annihilation.

Our journey of recollection must therefore begin with 9/11, for was the moment when one epoch closed, and another opened. With 9/11 commenced the next stage of history, one whose direction will be determined by how the world responds to the possibilities that it has opened up.

And yet, have we even begun to understand it?


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To: Noumenon

Thank you so much. More comments after I have digested the entire preface.


21 posted on 10/28/2004 3:15:44 PM PDT by snopercod (Inflation, it's how wars are paid for.)
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To: Noumenon

Good post, Nnnnnnoumen. Long time no see.


22 posted on 10/28/2004 3:30:04 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: backhoe
This is another great perspective:

The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within.
--Will Durant, The Story of Civilization

Sooner or later, and for the sake of our civilization, we are going to have to deal with our domestic enemies.

23 posted on 10/28/2004 9:54:27 PM PDT by Noumenon (The Left's dedication to the destruction of a free society makes them unfit to live in that society.)
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To: Noumenon

BTTT! Great Book!


24 posted on 05/28/2010 8:36:06 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I had forgotten that I had posted this six years ago. Since then, Harris has published The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam's Threat to the West (a good follow-up to the book mentioned in the original post) and The Next American Civil War: The Populist Revolt against the Liberal Elite - a book that will comfort no one.

Anything this man writes is worthy of our attention, and all of his books should be in our hard copy libraries. I wish I had even 1% of his insight and knowledge. Right now, I'm making a a third pass through his latest book mentioned above. This timethrough, I'm making notes and commetns. I don't agree with all of his opinions, but these are disagreements that intellectually honest men can make with one another.

Reading this 2004 post is chilling. Because it is right in all of its particulars. Survival of our heritage of freedom is looking faces long odds now. It will take the courage of determined men and women and a miracle or two if we are to avoid a civilization-killing, long and deep Dark Age.

25 posted on 05/28/2010 9:30:12 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon
A code of honor, to be effective when it is needed, requires a tradition that is blindly accepted by the men and women who are expected to live by this code. To work when it must, a code of honor must be the unspoken and unquestioned law governing a community; a law written not in law books but in the heart – something like an instinct.

At the moment, Marxism is our nation's most urgent and serious threat. It is occupying center stage. Islam is waiting in the green room.

Only a nation's whose population is thoroughly educated and capable of defending its Judeo Christian priniciples and our nation's founding values is capable of defending against the threats of Marxism and Islam.

I am on these message boards day after day sounding the warning. We MUST MUST MUST shut down our socialist and atheistic government K-12 schools!!! Socialist-funded and atheistic schools can NOT be reformed! They are utterly incapable of preparing our nation's citizens to defend freedom!!!

Conservatives MUST MUST MUST get our nation's children into private conservative schools that will thoroughly and completely integrate into every minute of every school day the Judeo Christian values upon which our nation was founded. Without this "Code of Honor", we are facing a 1,000 year long Dark Age.

26 posted on 05/28/2010 9:47:44 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Islam is waiting in the green room.

Nice multi-level turn of phrase and metaphor. So many peeple are clueless about this. or are in complete denial.

The enemy challenges the Enlightenment’s insistence on the supremacy of pure reason by forcing us to respect those code of honor whose foundation is far more visceral than rational, a fact that explains the modern intellectual’s hatred for such codes in whatever guise they lurk. The enemy requires the continued existence of large groups of men and women who refuse to question authority and who are happy to take on blind faith the traditions that have been passed down to them. The enemy necessitates the careful cultivation of such high-testosterone values as brute physical courage and unthinking loyalty to a leader. The enemy demands instinctual patriotism and what Ibn Khaldun calls “group feeling,” that is, the sense of identification with one’s own people. The enemy propels into positions of command men who are accustomed to taking risks and who are willing to gamble with the lives of others, and shuns aside those who prefer the leisure of contemplation to the urgency of action. Lastly, the enemy shatters the Enlightenment’s visions of utopia, of Kant’s epoch of perpetual peace and of the end of history.

And this is why so many European and American intellectuals refuse to acknowledge today even the possibility of the enemy’s existence, concocting theories to explain the actions of Al-Qaeda as something other than what they were.

The other reason that Harris doesn't mention is that many European and American intellectuals agree with our enemies, in that they wish to see our civilization destroyed. It is nothing less than the worst kind of betrayal, a civilizational suicide. It is a sick desire borne of self-hatred that condemns countless generations to slavery, servitude and slaughter. This is why I can make no peace with liberals or their ilk. They are like a cancer with which no negotiation or accomodation is possible.

I agree. Our children are our repositories of the knowledge and courage that makes freedom possible. We must guard, tend and teach. No one else will. Waht sort of response do you get to your work on other forums?

27 posted on 05/28/2010 10:02:50 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon
Waht sort of response do you get to your work on other forums?
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There are three responses:

** Those from clueless conservatives that believe that if somehow we could go back to some magical decade in government schooling, or eliminate unions, or have a minute of prayer in an atheistic day, or close down the Department of Education...etc....that somehow we could reform socialist-funded and atheistic government schools.

**Those from professional trolls who are paid by the NEA.

** Those very FEW conservatives who “get it”. Those few conservatives who understand that socialist-funded government schooling can NOT NOT NOT be reformed. Those conservatives who understand that simply by sending a child into government schools, the child learns to be comfortable taking money from his neighbor to pay for a service their parents want tuition-free.

Marxism is our nation's most urgent and serious threat. Government K-12 schools are the Marxists’ most powerful weapon against us.

28 posted on 05/28/2010 10:15:55 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

I’ve just purchased four more copies used at $2.00 each. I’ll be giving them away...


29 posted on 05/31/2010 2:49:54 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: wintertime; zzeeman

Gratuitous bump for rference...


30 posted on 06/25/2010 2:11:00 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon
Thanks for the bump on this one. OK, I now formally have more reading material than I can deal with over the next several months. I will definitely need to cut back on my sleep!

I just downloaded this book and the The Next American Civil War onto our Kindle. Dr. Quigley's T&H (1966, First Printing) is scheduled to arrive on July 2. Add these to the pile of books my son got me for Father's Day and I will be longing for rainy weekends and nothing too urgent to attend to in the shop!

Brief comment on the Enemies: Both (Marxist-Statists and Islam) have already become firmly entrenched within. No need to be overly concerned with external threats at this point, the internal threats have already outstripped our flanks. IMO.

31 posted on 06/25/2010 6:37:31 PM PDT by zzeeman (Existence exists.)
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To: zzeeman
Well, you've certainly got your work cut out for you! But it's great work, necessary work. I guarantee that once you've made your first pass through these books, you'll never look at the world in quite the same way. The second and third passes will have even more impact. Because you'll start connecting names and events. History and the nature of Man will begin to assume a very different shape. I'll be very interrested in how it goes. There'll be a lot to discuss. We used to do that sort of thing here at FR. Back in the late 90s, an FR member who went by the moniker of ACE published a series of stunning essays here. Unfortunately, they're long since gone, but I do wish that they could be resurrected. His first one, Original Sin was absolutely brilliant. Can't find it anywhere now.

But this is the sort of discussion that all of us need to have, especially now. Modern civilizations rise and fall according to the people they produce and the ideas they follow and hold dear. And are willing to defend.

Right now, I've begun a careful re-read of the latest edition of The Road to Serfdom, and I've got Walter Bagehot's Physics and Politics on the way. After reading Quigley, Hayek's efforts to get his work published assume new meaning and context.

Dinner beckons, so I'll close this now. Good evening, all.

32 posted on 06/25/2010 7:48:28 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: zzeeman
A Civilization and Its Enemies bump. We've no lack of targets.
33 posted on 04/01/2011 1:51:10 PM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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To: SuperLuminal

You might have thought that Harris’ work would get more play here.


34 posted on 04/26/2011 10:00:23 PM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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To: Noumenon
"You might have thought that Harris’ work would get more play here. "

Trying to get up to speed on both Delsol and Harris...(Not withstanding this latest Noumenon thread...{:-))

My schedule getting a couple of guys ready for a competiton is pretty time-consuming...

I won't be wading ashore in front of photographers....but "I shall return" to this discussion...

35 posted on 04/29/2011 8:07:39 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SuperLuminal

An ‘interesting times’ bump


36 posted on 09/29/2011 2:43:44 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: zzeeman
Say, my friend - what did you think of Quigley's take on what he calls The Pakistani-Peruvian axis? One of the best insights of the entire 1300+ pages of Tragedy and Hope, in my opinion. I have never seen such a penetrating enalysis of the mindset of our enemies, nor have I ever see nthe virtues of our Western civilizations summed up in such a moving and elegant fashion:

The ethical sides of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam sought to counteract harshness, egocentricity, tribalism, cruelty, scorn of work and of one’s fellow creatures, but these efforts, on the whole, have met with little success throughout the length of the Pakistani-Peruvian axis. Of the three, Christianity, possibly because it set the highest standards of the three, has fallen furthest from achieving its aims. Love, humility, brotherhood, cooperation, the sanctity of work, the fellowship of community, the image of man as a fellow creature made in the image of God, respect for women as personalities and partners of men, mutual helpmates on the road to spiritual salvation, and the vision of our universe, with all of its diversity, complexity, and multitude of creatures, as a reflection of the power and goodness of God – these basic aspects of Christ’s teachings are almost totally lacking throughout the Pakistani-Peruvian axis and most notably absent on the “Christian” portion of that axis from Sicily, or even the Aegean Sea, westward to Baja California and Tierra del Fuego. Throughout the whole axis, human actions are not motivated by these “Christian virtues,” but by the more ancient Arabic personality traits, which become vices and sins in the Christian outlook: harshness, envy, lust, greed, selfishness, cruelty, and hatred.

Brilliant.

37 posted on 12/16/2011 2:53:49 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Noumenon
Hi Ward, thanks for the ping! I haven't been on FR too much of late (for a number of reasons) and was just working my way back through pings and saw this one from you. To be frank, I don't recall the "Pakistani-Peruvian axis" at all. There was simply so MUCH material (most of it new to me!) that I could not absorb it all in one pass, this is yet another example! I'll follow your link here and see if I can locate it in the T&H text and let you know.

Wishing you & yours a belated Merry Christmas!

38 posted on 12/26/2011 4:44:46 PM PST by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: zzeeman
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to you and your clan as well. It's going to be a very... interesting year, eh?

You know, it took a second pass through T&H AND Evolution of Civilizations before I truly understood the import of what Quigley was getting at with respect to his analysis of The Pakistani-Peruvian Axis

There is another. Another axis of cruelty and disregard for human life made all the worse in some respects by its veneer of culture and pretensions to a "higher" civilization that it affects. This what I term the Slavic-Teutonic Axis - a combination of Asiatic despotism, Slavic nihilism and Teutonic will-to-power (part of the Teutonic outlook) that in modern times, gave rise to two of the most monstrous and murderous ideologies and outlooks the world has ever seen, and that continues unchecked to this day. It was a stunning realization, and one of the last pieces of the puzzle to fall into place. More as this develops, as the notion of the Slavic-Teutonic Axis essentially completes the chain of thought that is the foundation for my book.

39 posted on 12/26/2011 8:08:31 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Noumenon; zzeeman
A further refeinement of my earlier premise: I'm tentativley renaming it to The Scandanavian-Slavic Axis, as it better fits the circumstances and historical aspects. Moreover, at a crucial variance with the Pakistani-Peruvian Axis, the The Scandanavian-Slavic Axis derived its totalitarian ruling methodology from the Byzantine Empire of that day, whose administrative and cultural practices were much admired by the Slavic peoples' conqquerors, the the Vikings. Thus: a perverted totalitarian governing principle coupled with the cruel two-class, militaristic society of the Vikings who dominated the Slavs.

But there was even more to it than that. The collapse of the Roman Empire decoupled the idea of society from the principle of its 'ownership' by the state. It became evident that society as such was able to operate on its own during the Dark Ages betwee nempires. This was at a huge variance with the idea that state and society were one and the same, the latter being 'owned' by the former. As Quigley put it:

This experience had revolutionary effects. It was discovered that man can live without a state; this became the basis of Western liberalism. It was discovered that the state, if it exists, must serve men and that it is incorrect to believe that the purpose of men is to serve the state. It was discovered that economic life, religious life, law, and private property can all exist and function effectively without a state. From this emerged laissez-faire, separation of Church and State, rule of law, and the sanctity of private property. In Rome, in Byzantium, and in Russia, law was regarded as an enactment of a supreme power. In the West, when no supreme power existed, it was discovered that law still existed as the body of rules which govern social life. Thus law was found by observation in the West, not enacted by autocracy as in the East. This meant that authority was established by law and under the law in the West, while authority was established by power and above the law in the East. The West felt that the rules of economic life were found and not enacted; that individuals had rights independent of, and even opposed to, public authority; that groups could exist, as the Church existed, by right and not by privilege, and without the need to have any charter of incorporation entitling them to exist as a group or act as a group; that groups or individuals could own property as a right and not as a privilege and that such property could not be taken by force but must be taken by established process of law. It was emphasized in the West that the way a thing was done was more important than what was done, while in the East what was done was far more significant than the way in which it was done.

This outlook represents a hughe and unbridgeable gap between the niominally Christian West and, well, virtually everyone else. The upshot is that the relatively shot time (in the historical sense) that we here in the West have experiences freedom stands in sharp and irreconcilable ccontrast with the way in which the world has worked for everyone else on the planet. Combine the Pakistani-Preuvian Axis with the Scandanavian-Slavic Axis, and you've not got much left. Except for the brief and shining example of America. And the hour is growing late for us.

We who believe in individual freedom and all of the other principles of our brief Western civilization are at non-negotiable, irreconcilable odds with most of the rest of the world. In short, we're playing for everything there is. The triumph of our enemies - the triumph of the will-to-power - will usher in an age of slaughter, cruelty, barbarity and slavery from which the human race may never recover.

40 posted on 12/27/2011 3:43:45 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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