This ranks right up there with the pseudo-"science" that claims that only the candidate with the "bluest blood" (e.g., the most "royalty" in their family history) will win.
If that's the case, then we're royally screwed.
Posted on 10/25/2004 12:15:44 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
What the stars foretell for Bush, Kerry
Arun Venugopal in New York | October 25, 2004 08:58 IST Last Updated: October 25, 2004 18:48 IST
Sick of the nonstop political chatter on ABC, Fox News and CNN? Fed up with meaningless polls that show George W Bush winning soccer moms in South Dakota today and John Kerry taking Jewish trout fishermen tomorrow? Perhaps it's time you turned to the stars.
In a ritual that occurs every four years, astrologers across America are doing their best to predict the outcome of the upcoming presidential election, offering colorful charts and exhaustive, if sometimes incomprehensible, explanations to back up their choices. In their world, the paths of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn can influence the electorate more than the economy or the war in Iraq. Even astrologers in India and other countries are getting in on the action, yet another sign of how closely the international community follows American politics.
The only thing is, the public may not like what it hears. Astrologers are completely divided over who will win on November 2.
"Progressions, transits, return charts, eclipses, and of course, Bush's Saturn return -- when you put all these components together, and say 'Who's the winner?' it's not that clear-cut," said astrologer Shelley Ackerman, who polled a number of her peers for the Web site Beliefnet. "In the same way that it wasn't so clear-cut in 2000. It was very similar, in terms of what the stars reflect of the candidates, similar to what's happening in the country. It's very divided."
Many astrologers have held back on issuing predictions, expecting everything to be decided only in the final days of campaigning.
And that's the good news. "Some astrologers are saying the election will be cancelled altogether," said Ackerman, who also runs karmicrelief.com.
But wait, it gets worse. Vedic astrologer Howard Beckman, who also goes by the name 'Hamsavatar', maintains that America is set to experience untold horrors in the year ahead. "I've never seen such a bad chart for the next [astrological] new years for America," he said, referring to a period that falls between late March and early April, when, as he puts it rather ominously, the Lord of the Rising Sun will be in the 8th House of Death. "It means a lot of people are going to die next year. I speculate lots of natural disasters and attacks from the insane terrorist contingent."
Beckman, a resident of New Mexico with 37 years' experience as an astrologer, is fairly certain Bush is going to win, much to his frustration. "I would like to see Bush not win again," he said. "I'm in India a third of the year and I know what's going on internationally, unlike most Americans. Therefore I'm saying something that is against what I would like. It actually looks like Bush may win it. Would either win or take the election. But ''m voting for Kerry anyway."
Famed Los Angeles astrologer Chakrapani Ullal concurred with Beckman's prediction. In June, he posted an analysis of the election online, an in-depth reading of the candidates' horoscopes and competing planetary motions that at times plays out like an astrological thriller.
"These two charts show that the race will be neck and neck," he concluded. "Therefore, even though it is difficult to determine who will win, my best judgment says that George Bush may have an edge over John Kerry."
Leaning toward Kerry -- or at least toward his horoscope -- was astrologer Kuntal Rawal of Colorado. "Both the candidates have strong chart and favorable dashas" -- the period during which planets exert a strong influence -- "running at the time of the election," said Rawal. "However, Senator Kerry has a slight edge and is going to tip the balance favorably for himself as the elections approach. His ratings may show improvements as the election date approaches."
Joining Rawal was Florida astrologer Tom Hopke, also known as Nalini, who changed his decision from Bush to Kerry in June. In 2000, he had predicted Bush to win. Hopke also predicted improvements in America's relations with the world, but also suggested Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf would be assassinated.
And then there's the Bangalore-based service astromandir.com, which took note of recent polls indicating Bush's lead among likely voters.
"Even though the current opinion polls suggest that he has the lead he will not be able to maintain it," stated the analysis, under the president's personal astrological chart. "[as] Saturn will not give the potent positive results to him as have been given earlier".
The analysis, by astromandir consultant Srii Arnav, continued, "The current planetary positions and transits do not augur well for President Bush. He is likely to relinquish the post of president and the White House may eventually see a surprise candidate as the new President. Whatever is given eventually comes back and that is the divine law."
It's unclear whether that last part is a partisan swipe at the president. Regardless, New York Vedic astrologer Ronnie Dreyer said it's important to note that astrologers are not equipped to make absolute predictions about the future. The author of Vedic Astrology, she feels more comfortable suggesting what the candidates should do in order to win or lose.
"The one who wins the election will be the person who has the strongest Mars, planet of aggression and war, and who will give the American public the reassurance that they will fight to the finish," she said.
She noted that Kerry has some things going for him on Election Day, but not enough to coast to victory by any means.
"This means that for Kerry to win, he will have to accelerate his drive and his personality to its highest level. This is possible, but it will mean effort on his part, and a slip-up on the part of Bush."
Whoever wins, said Ackerman, their horoscopes suggest he won't be celebrating for long.
"No matter what happens the country is going to be polarized for quite some time," she said. "And even if there's a change in the administration, it's not going to be smooth sailing. If Bush remains in place we'll see a repeat of what happened [under Nixon] in 1973 and '74, with the administration unraveling and the unlikelihood of a term being completed."
Oh great astrologer! We see that Kerry's head in is Uranus!
This only proves that Astrology is a farce.
If it were accurate, there would be 100% agreement on who would win.
Also, who said the astrologers got the zodiac signs right? Any of us could go outside and draw our own, differing, signs. I think I see the shape of a Imac in one corner of the sky.. I'll call it the Imac constellation, and those born during say March will be known as macheads.
Machead Horoscope:
You are a lover of fine machines, fiercely loyal, and smug. You are confident that you have the best PC on earth. Watch out for red lights at intersections -- they are warnings to stop. You will breathe today and eat as well.....
This ranks right up there with the pseudo-"science" that claims that only the candidate with the "bluest blood" (e.g., the most "royalty" in their family history) will win.
If that's the case, then we're royally screwed.
Exactly.....look to the One who made the stars....not to the stars for an answer......
"Yah mah dahlin', dis here Kerry-mon is wrong for you, sweet child."
"falls between late March and early April, when, as he puts it rather ominously, the Lord of the Rising Sun"
Hmmmm.....
Actual quote from DUmmyland today:
Kerry's a Sagittarius . . . have faith!
Why are those who claim to be able to see future not wealthy beyond all imagination?
Spoken like a true Kerryite!
Love an astrologer who says that they can't tell who's going to win....yea right, some "astrologer"!
Does this mean polling is a farce as well?
Just for fun, I looked up Bush and Kerry’s horoscopes for around election day.. Doesn’t look to good for Kerry.. lol..
Bush-
11-01 You're all about rationality right now. Maybe you're not paying attention, or maybe your emotional side is on vacation. You're entitled to days like this. But no matter how well detachment helps you function, it might cause a few misunderstandings with people that expect something different from you. Watch out for restlessness in others. That way, if they decide to take matters into their own hands, you can't say that it was too much of a surprise. Sooner or later you'll all be back on the same page. Then you can laugh about this, if you even remember it at all.
11-02 You're a bottomless source of answers and general wisdom. The basic difference between you and a know-it-all is that you won't volunteer excess information unless someone is genuinely interested. Gossip might have something to do with this, but not in any malicious way. Anyway, you're more interested in welcome discoveries. Forgotten treasures appear in the corners of rooms and at the backs of closets. Thrift stores are honored meeting places between people and found objects rich in sentimental value.
11-03 It feels as if something is being born. Under the current starcast, you feel nothing but love and hope. Start from a familiar place, work with what you know and watch everything else grow and blossom from there. At each point in your process, family and friends are helping you out or sending their good wishes. Of course they want you to succeed, but there's something in it for them, too. Everybody looks good in your soft, reflected light. Keep on spreading your glow. You can't do anything but shine.
Kerry-
11-01 Surrender is in the air. The inevitable smells sweet and could even be making you hungry. Now you know why the people around you seem almost eager to lose control of the situation. Let them do whatever they want, even if you can see a better way. This was never your battle to fight. Instead of trying, be happy to float with the wind. You have discoveries of your own to make. As long as you're able to make it home by the end of the day, you'll feel as if you accomplished something great.
11-02 Are you letting your anxieties run the show again? Try dropping them and looking at reality. The Stars suggest that you relax. Your mind is your own, and you can use it however you want. Real security is based on being honest with yourself, acceptance of others as they are and general grace under pressure. Any kind of excess may hurt your cause. Moderation belongs in the mix, no matter what course you end up taking.
11-03 You have a lot, but you're still a long way from having it all, and thank goodness. If everything happened at once, you probably wouldn't have fun with it. For now, you have to do the legwork of convincing people that you're legit. Everyone understands that you're demonstrating, not fabricating. Mastery of the subject itself is worth the thousand buzzwords that you could use to describe it. Walk the way you talk. You'll go much further when your self-image is built on solid ground.
..and no, I don't buy horoscopes...
Polling has a MOE which are somewhat close to actual results.
Infallible signs wouldn't be split down the middle and wouldn't have a MOE.
1/3 of the year in India? God help him.
Been there once on business, never will go back. Popular ways for people to die in India (and almost nowhere else):
Fall off trains
Toxic gas
Monkey bites
Eaten by tigers
Fall off buses
Trampled by animals
Cobra bites
Trampled by people
Think there are about 20 more.....
He cant be a saggitarius, I'm a saggitarius.
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