Posted on 10/20/2004 9:13:15 AM PDT by Peach
Edited on 10/20/2004 7:41:44 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
There is a story today in the Washington Post by Helen Dewar and Thomas Ricks, the headline: Help of Allies Among Three Key Themes. I want you to listen to this quote from Kerry. This quote is actually from April 17th of 1994 on CNN's Late Edition. This is back when Frank Sesno hosted the program. This is the third paragraph of the story in the Washington Post today.
"Kerry's belief in working with allies runs so deep that he has maintained that the loss of American life can be better justified if it occurs in the course of a mission with international support. In 1994, discussing the possibility of U.S. troops being killed in Bosnia, he said, 'If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no.'"
So I mean there you have it. John Kerry believes that American troops dying under the banner of the UN flag is acceptable, when dying under the banner of the American flag is not. I hope he's asked about this. This is something that shows up again in the Washington Post today, it's from 1994. This is the best evidence we have, and this is from Kerry's own lips, of his obsession -- and I don't think that's too strong a word to use here -- his obsession with the UN. If you take this quote and combine it with his other words and his record, you have irrefutable evidence, all the evidence we need that he worships at the shrine of the United Nations. Here's the actual question and answer from Frank Sesno CNN on Late Edition, April 17th of 1994. Sesno says: Senator Kerry, it begs the question, what are the U.S. interests and the strategic interests in this place called the Balkans? Kerry: Well, they are less than our interests in perhaps Haiti. They are greater than our interests in Somalia. Sesno: But worth dying for? That's the question, are they worth fighting and dying for? Kerry: Well, it depends what you mean by that, Frank. If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yeah, it's worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome the answer is unequivocally no. So I think it's a question of where you place the interest.
So John Kerry thinks that American troops dying under the American flag is not justified, and is not worthwhile, but under the UN flag, then of course American deaths are justified. Now, this is all about Bosnia, and Clinton went in without the United Nations, if you recall. So I would think that Kerry would be in opposition to what we did there and that any deaths that we incurred are not worth it because we went in with some unilateral false presumption that we could affect the outcome.
We will keep a sharp eye on this. I just think this is a devastating quote. You put it in context with the global test quote that he had in the first debate. Make no mistake, this is the Washington Post, this is the third paragraph of the story, this will be picked up on and harped on by the Bush campaign I'm certain, it has to be, later on today.
We found the audio sound bite of John Kerry on CNN April 17th, 1994. Frank Sesno with the question. This is all about going to the Balkans. Is it worth American lives to go to Balkans? And here's the sound bite.
SESNO: Are they worth dying for? That's the question. Are they worth fighting and dying for?
KERRY: It depends what you mean by that, Frank. If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no.
RUSH: I mean, there you have it. Here's John Kerry saying that American deaths under the UN banner are permissible and honorable, American deaths under American flag only are not, April 17th, 1994. It doesn't sound to me like this position of his, this global test and the UN will have a veto over what we do doesn't sound like his position has changed, sounds like it's hardened, sounds like it's the one policy Kerry is actually firm in believing. It sounds like that Kerry does not flip-flop when it comes to the UN. He may flip-flop on everything else, but when it comes to the UN, boy, it trumps everything. And he's been consistent, at least as we can prove from the record from 1994 to the present, about ten years, ladies and gentlemen.
And I'd still like to know what Lurch knew about Oil For Food and when he knew it. And what he did with the info.
"Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.""
After reading my post over, I was just going to re-post this as a separate paragraph. This Crimson article, combined with the 1994 article, combined with "global test", (and who knows what other statements) shows a continuing effort to implement an agenda to turn our protection over to the UN.
You should start a separate thread on that statement and include links to the comments he made in '94 as reported by the Washington Post today.
Off topic:
Teresa says that Laura Bush hasn't had a real job since she's been an adult.
I guess this is part of his Global Test huh?
Apart from the U.N. angle, note how, even in Bosnia, Kerry is so utterly drenched in defeatism that he actually believed that the U.S. did not have the military might to "affect the outcome".
The fact of the matter turned out to be that, without the U.S., European U.N. troops found themselves handcuffed to bridges, to lamposts and to each other.
Once the U.S. came in, the outcome of the war in Bosnia was dictated by the U.S.
He can run but he can't hide!
I love how he pretends he's been misquoted or misunderstood.
If the president doesn't use this and change some of his lines, it will be a big mistake.
I guess im dense. But reading this quote, it sounds like Kerry is basically saying that American deaths under the UN flag is better than American deaths under an American flag but for a reason not deemed worthy to him. If I understand that, how is this news? He has always stated this and as far as I can tell, still insinuates this in everything he says.
Limbaugh just played the audio clip of the sound bite.
Rush playing 1994 sound clip now. Wow.
Rush is playing the Kerry soundbite!!!!!
Rush just palyed the audio of Kerry saying this..
Going after the First Lady now huh??
I smell fear
Devastating audio clip.
If not, why not?
Posting them in here where we support Bush doesn't help. It's the others who need to see and read these stories. Maybe convert a few of them.
April 17, 1994 on CNN.
And isn't Laura the most popular First Lady we've ever had? I thought I saw a poll that reflected that.
Teresa...keep talking, girl.
Rush just played the actual quote from CNN. I smell a commercial coming.
Rush will probably have the quote later on his website when he is finished with his show
TRACKED AND TRACED and Limbaugh is discussing it right now. He played the audio for it. Earlier he read the transcript.
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