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O'Neil on Nightline now

Posted on 10/14/2004 9:00:45 PM PDT by Nat2004

O'Neil is taking Ted Koppel apart right now and Koppel is trying to keep him from talking. this is real good.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abcnews; kerry; kerrylies; nightlie; oneill; swiftboatveterans; swiftvets; tedfloppel
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To: GretchenM
You just nailed it, GM. O'Neill basically said, "Look, if you're going to deny what I'm telling you, then you are also denying what Kerry and his own biographer are telling you in a book that was authorized and endorsed by Kerry himself." It was simply inescapable and Koppel looked like the fool that he is by persisting in his denial. Like almost everybody in mainstream media, especially tv, Koppel lives in an illusion, in a fantasy world. The growth of the New Media has made it impossible for them to avoid confrontations with people like O'Neill and each time, they get clobbered because they can't and won't face reality. This is why Koppel, who is not an unintelligent man, looked like a simpleton tonight.
181 posted on 10/15/2004 2:03:24 AM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: Bonaparte

It's simply incredible to me how ted didn't take the effort to -- or is so blinded by prejudice he can't -- connect the logic dots from his starting point, through kerry's book, to the consequences of his approach.

It's like the old media, without cause, jettisoned their heat shields (truth as the measure of good reporting) and are on a mission to burn up in re-entry from a very high and deteriorating orbit.


182 posted on 10/15/2004 2:28:56 AM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: nonkultur

It appears this VC guy was born in 1916, so he would be in his 50s in 1969. Hmmm....


183 posted on 10/15/2004 2:34:48 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: GretchenM

The world has changed and haven't. They're dinosaurs and Koppel is one of them. For decades, they were able to shape public perception of the news without challenge and they not only got soft, they got deluded as well. Now they can't find their way out. The sun has found them and all they can do is flail around blindly. Koppel was actually easy pickings for O'Neill who has had to face hard realities every day of his life.


184 posted on 10/15/2004 3:14:19 AM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: GretchenM
Make that, "The world have changed and they haven't."
185 posted on 10/15/2004 3:15:23 AM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: Bonaparte
they [old, crusty, media] not only got soft, they got deluded as well. Now they can't find their way out. The sun has found them and all they can do is flail around blindly.

Well said!

I'm delighted that organizations like the Media Research Center (is that their name?) and the Internet are keeping watch and making waves. I believe a lot of media moguls' boats are being unrecoverably swamped before our eyes and that it's possible the alphabet networks themselves are not going to survive in their current form.

The best plan is to find their weakest point and hammer it till they collapse. It's happening.

I wrote on another thread that after Bush wins, I expect the old media to spend lots of air time examining topics like these, based on a review of the Swift Vets' efforts, presented as if they believed the Swiftees all along:

- "Bush's Surprise Win"
- "How Kerry Lost the Presidency"
- "Why Kerry Was Unfit To Command"

186 posted on 10/15/2004 3:30:32 AM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: jimbokun

It's the Sean Penn standard of Journalism.

i think Ted just earned himself a part in Team America: World Police II.

His character can run around saying "I've been to Vietnam, I know some peasants." Ad nauseum.


187 posted on 10/15/2004 8:15:35 AM PDT by rwilson99 (I am a South Park Republican)
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To: cgk

They forgot to bury the guy for nearly a year... But they remember what he was wearing.

How stupid are these ABC people. The grave is marked for either December 1st or January 12th. The dates on the grave totally discredit the story.


188 posted on 10/15/2004 8:20:56 AM PDT by rwilson99 (I am a South Park Republican)
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To: All

Being female, I noticed something else. Did these Vietnamese peasants, living in rice paddys look terribly well dressed to you? No wide brimed hat. The old lady's pants were not only new-black (when you wash black it greys) but they had flared legs--no old style pegs, and the tops were pressed and color coordinated. Vietnamese govt making sure that their peasants were at the height of fashion? Not looking opressed?

Of course the MWM has a love affair with the communist dictatorships. US=bad then US enemies=good, trustworthy.

I do wish O'Neill had been a little calmer and asked Ted whether he believed that the Viet Kong with a govt rep in tow were a good source of reliable material.


189 posted on 10/15/2004 8:42:54 AM PDT by RecallMoran (The left would RATHER lie)
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To: Fatalis
I bet he kicked his Pomeranian after the show.

Oh, please don't tell me Teddy has a Pom!!! I would have thought he had a poodle or a cat.

g

190 posted on 10/15/2004 8:45:49 AM PDT by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: All

Rush talking about Nightlies right now.


191 posted on 10/15/2004 9:13:19 AM PDT by RecallMoran (The left would RATHER lie)
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To: LegalEagle61
This is the letter I sent to Nightline:

Yup, Mr. Koppel, you've been had. I really don't understand why you did not interview a few Swift Boat Vets too. The MSM has been taking a lot of hits lately; unfortunately many of them deserved. Credibility is a newsperson's greatest asset. Without it, a newsperson morphs into into being merely a scandal monger or a mouthpiece for a political party or interest group.

192 posted on 10/15/2004 9:35:03 AM PDT by Irish Queen
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To: Irish Queen

Soon we'll see Floppel with his own talk show, like Springer & Povich...


193 posted on 10/15/2004 9:50:17 AM PDT by LegalEagle61
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To: discipler
Ted shouldn't be faulted for not just taking the word of the Globe and Kerry....

The Vets on the other hand....

That's shameful
194 posted on 10/15/2004 10:23:23 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: Nat2004

195 posted on 10/15/2004 10:31:18 AM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: YaYa123
I wish he had drilled home that point again and again,

O'Neil DID repeat this point at least THREE times. What would you have O'Neil do, repeat this ONE POINT ad nauseum and ignore the other BULLSH!T Koppra[sic] Koppell was spewing ?

O'Neil did a FANTASTIC job. He's NOT a professional tee vee person. He still did a FANTASTIC job. He doesn't have the luxury of two, three, five or ten minutes to mull over killer soundbite responsenses that you and I have AFTER THE FACT and yet, he DID publically B!TCHSLAP Koppel with the TRUTH.

The fact of the matter is, O'Neil kicked Koppel's pastey, white, lying, LEFTIST @$$ and took no prisoners.
196 posted on 10/15/2004 11:23:34 AM PDT by pyx (Too busy ? If you get cheated by the LEFT on November 2, 2004, you only have yourself to blame.)
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To: Bonaparte
watercooler is tired too

Again, ignoring the post.

But now an attack on the watercooler!! This is starting to sound like dim trolls, dim trolls, dim droll trolls. Attack messengers, attack their water cooler. It'll probably be what I'm driving next.

And all these attacks without ever seeing any of "us". I suppose that is why attack posts are so easy to do.

197 posted on 10/15/2004 2:26:43 PM PDT by capocchio (Wit (or otherwise) delivered to a computer screen looses something in the translation)
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To: GretchenM
Been OD'ing on Cranky Burgers, have we?

What is it with you guys, can't resist saying something bad about people rather than addressing the post.

You said you learned something about O'Neill and Koppell, but did you get the specifics it takes to win a debate (at the watercooler)? Opinions don't count, impressions aren't very helpful, three of four soundbites don't carry far.

I'm sorry, Koppel still has his hairpiece and SEG and there were no Dims converted today to the "right side". A guy with a hairpiece should be easy to scalp, and I know O'Neill was the man to do it. But what you guys said about last night won't get the Dims to see much further than their own prejudices.

198 posted on 10/15/2004 2:43:30 PM PDT by capocchio (I don't do cranky burgers, nor do I plan to lose any sleep over them either)
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To: capocchio
Let's face it, capocchio. Everybody here is just a hayseed with no ability to tease out even the most rudimentary factual information.

That means it's up to you. You are the only one fit for command.

Frankly, I don't even know why you bother with us.

And the next time you're at the office, will you please shoot that watercooler?

Thankyou.

199 posted on 10/15/2004 3:17:52 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: capocchio

Interesting timing on your post as I just finished watching, online, the "Nightline" program with O'Neill. Guess where I got the link? (I didn't see the program in real time on TV.) Okay, here's the answer. A FReeper provided it. Another FReeper provided the transcript. Just another way in which I find FR so useful for educating and arming myself.

I do what I can to get all the info I can to influence folks politically. It happens that I live in a very liberal state and it's difficult to find folks who even want to come out of their democrat hideyholes to talk reasonably, but I do what I can.

How can you say I (and Bonaparte) attacked you? I commented on your attitude. That's not attacking you.

As for this, "and there were no Dims converted today to the "right side", I've read a lot of posts today and last night about people who work in an office with liberals (I don't), and who've talked to their liberal neighbors, etc., and said these libs have made up their mind to vote for Bush because of kerry's "performance" at the debate. So I have to disagree with the claim that no dims were converted today.

Peace.


200 posted on 10/15/2004 3:20:25 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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