Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

New York Sun ^ | 10/13/2004 | BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun

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Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/3107

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?

[AMDG&BVMH]

"President Bush received an HONORABLE DISCHARGE.
Now we know why Dan Rather was willing to destroy CBS News in the hope of tarnishing Bush's record. "

Yes, Kerry had to tear down President Bush's service so that his would stand . . .

[CaptSkip]

The_Doc_in_Texas Since Oct 13, 2004

Wow! Welcome to FR! Why have you lurked so long my son?

[mabelkitty]

Warner was caught in a lie.
On one hand, he clearly states he fact-checked and gave the award to Kerry on merit.
Two months later, he has no recollection of events in New Orleans.
Paging Sen. Warner, care to explain your parsing, legaleze?

[GoBucks2002]

He had a 'other than honorable' discharge changed by Jimmy Carter??

Why not? Carter gave amnesty to draft dodgers.

[tomnbeverly]

Yeah I find that very suspicious too.. that little explanation of his that I threw the medals away and had to have them re-instated that is bunk. When the Awards are issued in permenant record you never have to re-apply for them. Throwing medals away in protest means nothing to the actual record... your DD214 doesn't change hell I lost a couple of awards and citations my self and I certainly can't find all of my medals... This is very suspicious... If he did get an other than honorable, Bad Conduct or Dishonorable then all awards would have been removed and if he later petitioned to change the status of his discharge all the awards would have to be resubmitted and recreated.. It certainly explains the Lehman signature on the Silver Star... Why has no independent group throughly gone over the entire history here... He said I should be president because I am a war hero.... Now is he or isn't he...

[mabelkitty]

They are spent and overplayed their hand.
By going after Sinclair with such vitriole and viciousness, they neutered any attempts that "this is a smear". Kerry's lawyering up for SBVT, they're intimidation and threatening to pull the linceses of Sinclair Broadcasting, what left is there?
If they go after this story hard, the MSM will have to report it - they will have no choice.

[Notwithstanding]

Nowadays the state bar application asks if you recieved an other than honorable discharge.

These applications are no small beans. They are the basis for admitting you to the bar.

I wonder if that information is in any way subject to FOIA requests?

[mabelkitty]

Your number:
6. Clinton office stating he is too ill to campaign for Kerry. This will also give cover for him explaining all of his actions when this breaks - he is too weak.
7. This is why the Dems spent a great deal of time to usurp Mitt Romney from appointing Kerry's senate seat in case of a vacancy (Kerry hadn't even locked up the primary yet), and why one of the Kennedy inbreds were sending out fund-raising letters to grab a run for the seat - Kerry will be tossed from the Senate.

c. Kerry pissed off Poland. Poland just may provide the information to the American media themselves on, say, November 1.

[mewzilla]

The last thing he wants is for this to get into the MSM. So he will not respond until forced to.

Agreed. But the point is if there was nothing to this, he could have responded immediately with a forceful, adamant DENIAL.

That Kerry chose not to speaks volumes. And that will fuel the fire.

[mewzilla]

Actually, it was a well-worded question by the MSM.

Oh, I agree. There was no room for weaseling allowed. That was a job well done. And I'll bet the journo who asked it is getting a ration of excrement for his trouble.

[mabelkitty]

Judicial Watch has interesting information on this on their website.
The Navy alerted the Kerry campaign that there was an investigation, then threw up roadblocks on it.

[jriemer]

Oh, I agree. There was no room for weaseling allowed. That was a job well done. And I'll bet the journo who asked it is getting a ration of excrement for his trouble.

After that question, I know who's not going to be asked to the next Washington Press Club function. He / She / It will be lucky if they won't be banished down to Obituaries again.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

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[MeekOneGOP]

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

Excerpt:

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks, Grampa !!

[Servant of the 9]

The board was apparently convened by Executive Order. The President's order would probably dictate the terms of the Board, ........ President Carter would not have ordered the board convened unless he was certain of the result.

If this is the case, then there is a copy of the Executive order in the Carter Library and, I believe, in the Federal Register.

So9

[Goat Locker Freeper]

One of you exceedingly salty admin types with a sh*thoarder complex needs to come up with an equally old copy of SECNAVINST 1620.6 (Separation of Naval Officers). This instruction was revised in 83 and again in 99. We need to see the instruction that was operative in 78 when he got his honorable discharge.

From what I can tell from the latest iteration of the instruction, an officer being separated involuntary MUST BE NOTIFIED of the pending action. Translated from NavSpeak: Kerry got a letter from either NRPC or BUPERS telling him that he was to be separated (discharged or dropped from the rolls), when it was to happen, and why.

The subject instruction is referenced in Navy Military Personnel Manual (nee BUPERSMAN in Kerry's time) as the governing policy document. See Kerry's NAVPERS 1926/2 discharging him from the USNR; it's cited as reference (c).

[HannaUSA]

Several make that statement, but then they never say specifically what it is that the Swifties have been wrong or are lying about. Thats because there isn't anything.

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[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!