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Kerry Stiffed (Wlady Pleszczynski)
The American Spectator ^ | 10/9/2004 | Wlady Pleszczynski

Posted on 10/09/2004 2:57:51 AM PDT by maryz

ANNANDALE, Va. -- The story line this weekend will be that President Bush did a lot better, and John Kerry not as well, in their second debate. The only worry now is that in Arizona Wednesday the two will again be behind lecterns, which will once again play to Kerry's advantage and Bush's distinct disadvantage.

The Washington Post's often astute, sometimes maddening TV critic Tom Shales has already declared Bush the St. Louis winner on style, Kerry on the winner on substance. Coming from a Dan Rather liberal, that's saying something. Specifically, that Kerry lost on both counts. In liberal eyes the fix is always in on substance -- by definition there's no way a nonliberal can win here. What's more, the superiority on that front is supposed to go hand in hand with stylistic command. When it doesn't, it's a dark day indeed.

Poor Kerry. Without a lectern to tower over, he was a freak show. Perhaps John Edward can sue the television camera manufacturers. But exposed in his thin tallness on the stage floor, particularly when caught in profile, Kerry came across as some sad mix of scarecrow and arthritis sufferer, unable to bend his back at all or even take an unstiff step.

Bush by contrast thrived. No longer short he was in his sauce -- because he was among people. It's no accident his best performances have always seen him in a sea of humanity. (Yes, even on the USS Lincoln.) He was made to be seen with others. He easily leads because he likes and is liked by those he serves.

Kerry is another matter entirely. As someone has said, he can't help but treat people like help, and even to remind them they're help. Has anyone ever said anything more revealing than Kerry Friday night, apropos his tax hike promises on higher income brackets, when he said: "And looking around here, at this group here, I suspect there are only three people here who are going to be affected: the president, me, and, Charlie, I'm sorry, you too."

And looking around here, in this tacky auditorium? At this group of obvious nobodies? That's what he meant. By the way, he forgot to include his wife among the high rollers in the room. Or to convey any understanding of the American dream, more importantly.

There were some surprises. The awfulness of the town hall format was mitigated by the participation of some fine and serious citizens. The few dolts gave themselves away, usually by not having the good grace to wear a tie to such an event or being able to read the question they themselves had composed. The pointed questions seemed mainly directed at Kerry, and they all came from women. In response to Ann Bronsing's question about why no further attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11, Kerry stumbled badly, his practiced smoothness suddenly giving way to confusion ("…it's not a question of when, it's a question of -- excuse me -- not a question of if, it's a question of when. We've been told that") and lots of filler about the need for good intelligence. Before he was done he jumped back to answer an earlier questioner. (He did that several times in the evening, picking up on John Edwards' bad habit.) Two pro-life questions just about finished him off, in part because they allowed Bush to drive home some key points, but also because they brought out the NARAL side of Kerry which requires him to use the mother's health excuse as his reason for backing partial birth abortion and to oppose parental notification because all teen pregnancies apparently stem from incestuous rape.

Charlie Gibson will hear it from his colleagues for allowing those questions through. But has there been a lovelier and sweeter young American at such an event than Sarah Degenhart, who asked the second pro-life question? You have to wonder what tax bracket she'll end up in when she gets to heaven.


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KEYWORDS: debate; kerry; seconddebate
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To: Quilla

Re: Post 28. Hey, you found proof of Bush's timber company! The one he said he didn't know anything about. This picture will be all over DU (probablyh CBS and ABC, as well) proving that Bush was lying when he said he didn't own a timber company.


61 posted on 10/09/2004 5:20:55 AM PDT by randita
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To: maryz
Again, while I thought Bush improved marginally, he still has a problem marshaling his arguments. His answer on the stem cell research matter was indecipherable. I don't know how many times in debates one and two that he has allowed Kerry to get away with this "rush to war" bull when it is an easy matter to rebut.
He appeared ill at ease on many occasions whereas Kerry never batted an eye - probably due to the rigor mortis effect of the Botox treatments. Bush's mispronunciations and examples of poor grammar were too legion to list.
The only area where Bush was clearly the winner was in his evident passion about the need to succeed in this war, which Kerry seemed to treat as if it were just another wedge issue.
Finally, I was disappointed again with the chosen questions. There seemed to be a lot of them designed to ask Bush to justify some decision or course of action from the past and then Kerry could take his allotted time to "pile on" and second guess - a pretty easy game to play.
62 posted on 10/09/2004 5:21:12 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: maryz
We all know some self made millionaires. I am positive a lot of FReepers fit that category. The ones I know are "The Millionaire Next Door" and you cannot tell their economic status by looking. One couple I know, with a grown son and three older teenage daughters are proud that their kids don't know if mom and dad are multimillionaires or budget-conscious, struggling small business owners. The parents want the girls to learn to work and to have the joy of self-achievement. If there is anything for them when mom and dad are gone, it will be a surprise and a gift, not a birthright.

If I saw THK on the street, I would not have any idea she had a billion dollars, either. You can buy Armani on line at discount, after all. You can buy Ferragammo shoes on eBay if you must have them.

Kerry made a huge gaffe with that class warfare observation and showed himself to be a snob.
63 posted on 10/09/2004 5:26:21 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: rawhide

Sarah wanted to be assured that none of her tax dollars would be used to perform abortions and how would Senator Kerry ensure that.


64 posted on 10/09/2004 5:35:35 AM PDT by esoteric
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To: finnigan2
His answer on the stem cell research matter was indecipherable.

It wasn't his best. But I thought Kerry's was worse, and it was a question to him -- that he didn't answer. The woman asked (and I wish she hadn't been so nervous, because it's a question that has to be asked a lot more than it is) why, when adult stem cell research has yielded so many great results and embryonic cell research -- in addition to being morally reprehensible -- has yielded none, he wasn't more interested in furthering adult stem cell research. Bush apparently opted to answer Kerry rather than address the original question.

65 posted on 10/09/2004 5:44:31 AM PDT by maryz
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To: reformedliberal
Kerry made a huge gaffe with that class warfare observation and showed himself to be a snob.

Kerry is a snob -- he wouldn't know how to hide it because he doesn't know he is; he just thinks people with money are practically a different (and superior) species from those who have less.

Howie Carr had a great column last Sunday about a speech of Kerry's deploring "suburban sprawl" -- you know, it makes cars necessary and is bad for the environment, blah, blah, blah; Howie noted Kerry's five boats, all the SUVs and Teresa's plane. He ended with a terrific line:

"Vote for Kerry -- he's better than you!"

66 posted on 10/09/2004 5:51:53 AM PDT by maryz
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To: reformedliberal
you cannot tell their economic status by looking.

Maybe at one time you could more than now (though even then not reliably), but not the past 40 years or so. My mechanic told me a story once about a guy he knows who looks and dresses basically like Joe Sixpack -- he went into a car dealership and bought new cars for himself and his four kids -- and paid cash.

I think Miss Manners notes in one of her books that years ago the really top of the line stores learned not to judge potential customers by their appearance.

67 posted on 10/09/2004 5:55:16 AM PDT by maryz
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To: nighthawks

No way Kerry won last night's debate! Bush smoked him on both substance and style. In fact, I'm now convinced that Bush won debate #1. The anti-Bush spin coming out of debate #1 was the result of an a priori strategy on the part of the paleomedia to crown Kerry the winner regardless, for if they wouldn't have done so, Kerry would now be toast.


68 posted on 10/09/2004 6:04:18 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Kerry fled while good men bled.)
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To: Happy2BMe; maryz
But exposed in his thin tallness on the stage floor, particularly when caught in profile, Kerry came across as some sad mix of scarecrow and arthritis sufferer, unable to bend his back at all or even take an unstiff step.


If I only had a brain!


69 posted on 10/09/2004 6:26:22 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (The GOP throw their trash out. The DemocRATS worship theirs.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

LOL!


70 posted on 10/09/2004 6:31:22 AM PDT by maryz
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To: cp124
I've gone back and read all nighthawks posts and I think calling him a troll is a little over the top.

I have noticed that lately, anyone who is a recent signup gets called a troll if they don't agree with the mindset of a lot on this board.

71 posted on 10/09/2004 6:48:34 AM PDT by estrogen (Please Lord, spare us from the Democrats)
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To: Casloy

God bless-and thank you for your service as well as your local report. Great to know that our military supports President Bush.


72 posted on 10/09/2004 6:54:35 AM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: nighthawks

Welcome to FR.

If you think Kerry won last night you are either on the wrong site, or you weren't watching IMHO.


73 posted on 10/09/2004 6:55:36 AM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: Casloy
I just got back from a shopping trip to Camp Doha, Kuwait and had the privelege of watching about 30 minutes of the debate on the PX TV sets with about 10 enlisted men. Bush was fantastic and it was quite obvious who the military supports.

At one point during the debate Kerry started listing off the military support he has: Gen McPeak, Gen Clark, Gen Shinseki, Crowe, etc.

I was waiting for W to say, "You may have the support of a bunch of retired generals, Mr Kerry, but I have the support of probably 90% of the boots on the ground currently defending this nation."

Would've been classic.

74 posted on 10/09/2004 6:57:58 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Not Fonda Kerry in '04 // Vets Against Kerry)
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To: maryz
Kerry is another matter entirely. As someone has said, he can't help but treat people like help, and even to remind them they're help. Has anyone ever said anything more revealing than Kerry Friday night, apropos his tax hike promises on higher income brackets, when he said: "And looking around here, at this group here, I suspect there are only three people here who are going to be affected: the president, me, and, Charlie, I'm sorry, you too." And looking around here, in this tacky auditorium? At this group of obvious nobodies? That's what he meant.

Wow - I missed that. Pretty snobby.

75 posted on 10/09/2004 7:02:48 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: nighthawks
Bush did a lot better at this debate, but I think Kerry beat him.

Democrats like you have made your party the LOW IQ party in America today. Time to go back to DU and count your electoral votes. Read em and weep. America speaks.
76 posted on 10/09/2004 7:05:06 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: tomnbeverly
Not if you do not value life as a first priority. This is exactly the Problem with the liberal argument for abortion .. .It holds no value of life... same with stem cells... same with cloning... A society that places no value on life will always fail...

Well said - any philosophy that sets itself up against a knowledge of God will eventually fail.

77 posted on 10/09/2004 7:05:09 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: maryz
One of my very first jobs back in the late 1950s was clerking in a clothing store. We made around $1.00 or so/hr and a commission. Those commissions were important.

It was a medium-sized town and a midlevel pricepoint shop. I learned quickly to watch for the plainly dressed farm wife with the purse that looked like a cross between a nurse's bag and a bank vault. She was always accompanied by a teen-aged daughter going off to college. These were huge sales, for me, at that time. Mom had cash, most likely egg money and she shopped for the best for her daughter. Many clerks ignored these customers, to my advantage.

I remember asking about someone in our town in the early-mid fifties who lived in an apartment, instead of a house (which was rare to me then). I was told:"They live there because they want to and they own the building". These people were quite wealthy and you would never have known it by looking.
78 posted on 10/09/2004 7:06:25 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: rawhide

>> Mr. Gibson Going to go to the final two questions now, and the first one will be for Senator Kerry, and this comes from Sarah Degenheart.

Q. Senator Kerry, suppose you're speaking with a voter who believed abortion is murder, and the voter asked for reassurance that his or her tax dollars would not go to support abortion, what would you say to that person? <<


79 posted on 10/09/2004 7:07:05 AM PDT by exDem from Miami
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To: Zack Nguyen
Wow - I missed that. Pretty snobby

Maybe you can catch a replay. He was very kindly about it, in a lord-of-the-manor way. (I.e., insufferable!)

80 posted on 10/09/2004 7:13:02 AM PDT by maryz
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