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1 posted on 10/07/2004 6:08:07 PM PDT by neverdem
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this would destroy our election system and allow the north east US to basically take over the governement legally.... lets stop this or we all will be out of luck ...


2 posted on 10/07/2004 6:10:50 PM PDT by Gibtx (Pajamahadien call to arms.....)
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To: neverdem

if Bush wins Colorado, look for this amendment to fail.


3 posted on 10/07/2004 6:11:34 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud to be a Computer hack in Iraq!!!!! GO W!!!!)
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To: neverdem
Coloradans will accept or reject the measure on Nov. 2, the same day as the presidential vote.

That means that either it doesn't go into effect this election, or Colorado fails the "Safe Harbor" conditions, and the Congress is free to reject Colorados slate.

5 posted on 10/07/2004 6:16:25 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: neverdem

Amendment 36 is unconstitutional. Article II clearly states that it is up to the state legislature to decide how EV's are selected, not referenda.


6 posted on 10/07/2004 6:17:53 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: neverdem
Freepers in Colorado need to tell their friends to vote against the unconstitutional Amendment 36 that will be on the ballot. It would change the allocation of Electoral College votes from winner-take-all to proportional. The campaign is being funded by weathy interests in California. I wonder why they don't propose the same type of amendment to be passed by a state-wide referendum in California?

It is unconstitutional, because it is a referendum. The constitution very specifically says that the state legislatures, and only the state legislatures have the authority to determine the method by which electors are chosen! The Colorado legislature very specifically rejected such a system.

As long as large states like California, New York and Texas do not change from a winner take all system, it is not in the interest of small states like Colorado to do so.

I also don't want to forgot to mention that it also violates the federal election code. The method by which the electors is selected must be in place before (as I recall at least six days prior to) the date the electors are chosen which is election day. Even if the a referendum were a valid mechanism of determining the method of allocating electors, this referendum is too late to affect the 2004 election. This referendum should be fought in court and removed from the ballot.

Article II.

Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


7 posted on 10/07/2004 6:18:25 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: neverdem
I would prefer to see an electoral vote earned by taking a plurality of the votes within a given Congressional district boundary. The winner take all disenfranchises the voters on the losing end. Congressional boundaries are drawn to encompass approximately equal numbers of citizens.

A proportional approach prevents the balance of power from tipping hard on the slimmest of margins. The debacle in Florida would never have happened with a proportional approach.

8 posted on 10/07/2004 6:20:17 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: neverdem
Here are some other recent threads about the Electoral College.

Discover Magazine | Sept. 30, 2004 | Math Against Tyranny


MSNBC | 9/27/04 | Split Colorado's electoral votes?


The Vail Trail | Thursday, September 30, 2004 | Eye of the storm: Amendment 36 could put Colorado in the center of a political hurricane

10 posted on 10/07/2004 6:23:52 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: neverdem

It's a backdoor attempt to eliminate the Electoral College. The people of Colorado will reject this if they are sane, and the Supreme Court will reject it if they're not.


11 posted on 10/07/2004 6:23:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: neverdem
What part of "....in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct...." do the DemonRATs not understand? This amendment never was voted on by Colorado's legislature; rather, it is a ballot initiative.
12 posted on 10/07/2004 6:25:09 PM PDT by steveegg (John F'em Ke(rr)y - I am for & against a lot of things, but I was always for higher taxes.)
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To: Cacique; coloradan; colorado tanker

ping


21 posted on 10/07/2004 6:51:50 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Will there not be a court suit about the Constitutionality of this?


31 posted on 10/07/2004 10:29:45 PM PDT by Boiler Plate
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To: neverdem
I didn't even hear about this one. There are so many fools out there trying to get rid of the electoral college, which will be the end of our republic.

Having voted in Colorado a few times, I can tell you that it is pretty tough to predict how these propositions will go. One election, they voted down a tax increase for schools, but also voted down a provision that would give tax credits for home schooling. Last election they voted against getting rid of bilingual education. And of course everyone remembers the Tabor amendment and the anti pro gay legislation dealie. Real conservative at times, but sometimes not. I fear that this one might pass out of pure ignorance about how the electoral system works. Colorado would basically cede what little power it has in Presidential elections, which was only gained in the last census/redistricting. I really hope they don't become the first fools in the nation, although I would love to see the electoral college vote here in Cali split up.

34 posted on 10/07/2004 10:59:20 PM PDT by sixmil (Neocon trade and immigration policy passes the 'global test')
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To: neverdem

Besides the dilution of their electoral clout, you'd think many Coloradans would reject this amendment simply because it was proposed and financed by an outsider.


41 posted on 10/08/2004 9:25:29 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: neverdem
Voting for this would be the stupidest thing Colorado ever did. It would make their state completely irrelevant in future elections.

What people do not understand is that our country IS NOT a democracy but a union (republic) of DEMOCRATIC STATES!!

When I vote in Oregon, it is my vote against 2.5 million others. But if this amendment were to be accepted here, it would be my vote against EVERY OTHER VOTE in the NATION. This weakens the individual's vote from a state level to a national one.

Our state is considered liberal because of Portland and Eugene. Oregon is a fairly conservative state outside of these two areas. BUT...these two areas determine our laws and who wins our state. Imagine this problem on a national level!! Do we want LA, NY, Chicago, San Diego, Houston, etc, etc, deciding who our president is??? I think not. The elector college is a beautiful and well thought-out system. Let's not trash it without learning a little about our history.
47 posted on 10/21/2004 1:34:34 PM PDT by RhemusNorflat (Colorado: Don't Do It!!)
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To: neverdem

Some good reading about switching to popular vote:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/concon2k1/elecmap.htm

Please read this page!


48 posted on 10/21/2004 1:43:59 PM PDT by RhemusNorflat (Colorado: Don't Do It!!)
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To: neverdem
I love the television commercial running on this right now which states:

"If Amendment36 is such a great idea, why doesn't California try it first?"

I agree with the other posters who say it's unconstitutional. Even if it passes, it will be struck down.

49 posted on 10/21/2004 2:02:27 PM PDT by moondoggie
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To: neverdem
No need to hyperventilate, folks. The media campaign by the Committee Against A Really Stupid Idea (actual name) is going well and this is going down hard in the polls. Also, all the recent polls show Bush with a solid lead in Colorado.
51 posted on 10/21/2004 3:06:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("medals, ribbons, we threw away the symbols of what our country gave us and I'm proud of that")
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To: neverdem

A couple of days ago, it was reported that Amendment 36 was failing by about 14 points. At the rate it's been dropping, I think it'll lose by at least 20 points come election day.


52 posted on 10/21/2004 3:07:30 PM PDT by Dave Olson
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