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Posted on 10/05/2004 12:48:53 PM PDT by Kaslin
Taxpayer-supported bureaucrats who help foreign lawbreakers get on the public dole would face jail sentences under a ballot measure favored to pass in Arizona.
Naturally, the likes of Democrat Gov. Janet Napolitano and Republican Sen. John McCain oppose this sort of justice, but "a poll this week showed nearly two-thirds of registered Arizona voters support it," the Associated Press reported today.
"Supporters maintain Arizona spends hundreds of millions annually to provide food stamps, welfare and other social services" to illegal aliens, "who slip through the cracks using fake documents - or when sympathetic clerks and social workers look the other way."
Kathy McKee, director of the group sponsoring Proposition 200, noted that pandering elected officials had created a system fraught with "the opportunity for fraud."
"Our government has opened the gates and put up a 'welcome here' sign. The villain in all of this is our government," she pointed out.
Oh, the humanity: The commonsense measure also dares to require people to prove citizenship when registering to vote.
"To me, voting is something that is very precious. I don't want my vote canceled by someone who isn't legally here," McKee said.
AP says Masavi Perea, an illegal alien who lives in Phoenix, has been visiting towns to "educate" people about the measure. His version of "education" includes trying to compare enforcement of U.S. borders to the Jim Crow laws that were used to discriminate against blacks.
Bureaucrats of Arizona: Why aren't you deporting this known illegal alien who is trying to influence a U.S. election?
This Michigan voter agrees.
I'm sure this will be found unconstitutional. We can't have the right to abet lawbreakers be violated. /sarc
Muleshoe, Texas hires illegals as city workers and no one complains so west Texas must be opposed to such a measure. I suppose it is the only way to get them to pay taxes.
How will 200 get the AZ Attorney General to enforce its provisions? Our guy here in California would rather jump off a building than alienate (pun intended) the illegals. The new anti-illegal initiative we're starting to circulate would give citizens the right to sue their public officials if they don't do their damned jobs. Does 200 have something like that?
I wish... it is pretty much just window dressing that states that they need ID to vote and get certain other muncipal services, but I did not see anything giving any mandate to the people allowing them to address the lawmakers and elected officals if they don't do their job, but alas it is a start in the right direction.
Here's a link to the PDF for the Prop....if you do a Google search, you might end up with the AZ Republic newsrag take. Read it if you must, but that paper is a way left liberal sack-o-crapola not worthy of lining the birdcage. Anyway, here's the link to the governmental text: http://www.azsos.gov/election/2004/info/PubPamphlet/english/prop200.pdf
I hope it passes. But they need to add on the employers who hire from the cheap labor pool.
Thanks. Interesting argument 'against.' Says it's not needed because nobody is getting prosecuted for vote fraud, which presupposes that anyone is actually looking for it. I know from an interview with the San Diego registrar that they do nothing at all unless someone complains. Surprise, nobody can tell if that guy standing at the machine next to them is a citizen or not, so no complaints. What a ridiculous argument.
See 30 sec. Quicktime TV Ad Released October 4, 2004 See 60 sec. Quicktime TV Ad Released October 4, 2004Visit Yes on Prop. 200 website.
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Good for Arizona. If the Feds don't want to inforce it leave it to the states.
Speaking of immigration law and non-enforcement. Does anyone know where to find the records of what our immigration judges are doing? Shouldn't this be in the public domain?
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"Taxpayer-supported bureaucrats who help foreign lawbreakers get on the public dole would face jail sentences under a ballot measure favored to pass in Arizona."
Sweet!
Could you point me to that initiative. Is it California?
It's informally being called the "Son of 187" initiative, after the California measure that got tangled up in the courts (not "struck down" as some are calling it -- it was never fully adjudicated). It just started circulating for signatures. Details at www.saveourlicense.com
Look, if you need an ID to rent a movie at Blockbuster, why not to vote? What's the big deal? OH>>>>>I forgot...the democratic voting base counts on the illegal votes!
Besides --- there really aren't anywhere close to enough jobs for all the impoverished, illiterate, unskilled people moving in from Mexico. Available land for farming is shrinking with a doubling of the population in the past 50 years with a lot of urban sprawl, many farms are mostly mechanized and don't need that much labor. NAFTA has sent millions of low-skilled jobs to Mexico so there is no reason for so many to come here --- their kind of jobs are over there in Mexico not here. Of course it's the welfare and all the many kinds of government handouts and subsidies that make it possible for them to live over here.
Oct. 5, 2004, Lou Dobbs Tonight (partial transcript)
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DOBBS: The White House is demanding that the House Republican leadership strip the intelligence reform bill of tough new restrictions on illegal aliens and border security.
Republican Congressman Roy Blunt is the majority whip. He is the second most powerful Republican in the House of Representatives and says the immigration reforms will remain in the legislation, despite what the White House is demanding.
We thank you both for being with us. Before we begin, let me show you, point out to you, as you well know, and to our viewers who may not be as familiar the provisions that we're discussing here tonight in the intelligence reform legislation.
The first element, of course, is what is the crackdown on driver's licenses on illegal aliens. The White House wants that stripped out, wants to be able to make it easier to deport illegal aliens, those who cross our borders illegally, and to limit the use of foreign consular I.D. cards. That is, such cards as the matricula consular of Mexico, other consular I.D. cards for identification within this country.
Again, thank you both for being here.
Let me begin with you, Congressman Blunt. You are prepared to resist the White House on their demands to weaken the border security provisions of the immigration -- of the intelligence reform legislation?
REP. ROY BLUNT (R), MAJORITY WHIP: Well, we think the border security provisions are important provisions. They're the one thing that the 9/11 commission called for that didn't make it in the Senate bill in any way. I think they make total sense. They're absolutely defensible. For every one of those provisions, there is some egregious case in recent years where someone who really has done great damage to our society could have been stopped if these provisions would have been in place and would have been enforced.
We are working with White House to see if they've got some suggested changes that we might add to this legislation to make them more comfortable in a couple areas. But we intend to go forward with these provisions that, again, the 9/11 commission created the basis for in their report.
BLUNT: I might also point out, we were with -- we had some of the 9/11 families here this morning, and they were all to a person supportive of these provisions.
In fact, they said that -- the 9/11 families that they couldn't find any individual in the families who oppose these provisions, but they were being told just what my good friend Jane just said, that somehow they're poison pills designed to kill this legislation.
These are in this legislation designed to stop terrorists and terrorism. We -- we think they're totally reasonable, the idea that we would have greater border security. We're not requiring visas from Canada and Mexico, but we are requiring specific documents that have to be approved. And, other than that, you have to have a passport to get in and out of the country.
That's totally appropriate, I think.
BLUNT: Oh, I think this is not anti-immigrant. In fact, legal immigrants more than any other group want to be sure the law's enforced. They have gone through the process of the law to get here. They want to be protected from people who have come into the country without going through that same legal process. That's all really these are designed to do, and, Lou, you know how important that is.
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full transcript at: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/05/ldt.01.html
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