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Jobs worth $ 210 billion to be outsourced to India in 2005
DeepikaGlobal ^ | Monday, October 4, 2004

Posted on 10/03/2004 4:22:37 PM PDT by Willie Green

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New Delhi, Oct 3 (UNI) Top 100 global financial companies will offshore jobs worth over 200 billion dollars to India and other countries in 2005, says a new research by Deloitte and Touche.

''Financial institutions are moving business functions to India because they are recognising compelling cost advantages and they are able to lock in savings and manage risks effectively,'' Mr Peter Lowes, the US leader of Deloitte's outsourcing practice, said.

In 2005, Deloitte expects the top 100 global financial companies to offshore a total of 210 billion dollars of their operating costs, saving on average, 700 million dollars.

The survey, covering 43 financial services companies around the world, suggests that the number of firms taking the offshore option increased by 38 per cent last year.

Deloitte also estimated that by 2010, 20 per cent of the operating costs of global financial institutions would be centred abroad, reducing costs by about 37 per cent.

Analyst Datamonitor also said earlier this year that outsourced, offshore call centre positions will more than double by 2007 to 241,000, from close to 110,000 at the end of last year.

However, the Deloitte survey said most of the companies sending jobs to India and other countries had concerns about risk management. Half of those surveyed had contingency plans if the offshore operation went wrong.

''Risks related to government change and policy changes are prompting companies to have a multiple-country strategy, which makes it easy for them to migrate services if there is a problem in any operation,'' Mr Lowes said.

Apart from India, other countries with high proficiency in English are emerging as popular destinations, including Malaysia and the Philippines, the report added.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: globalism; india; outsourcing; thebusheconomy; trade
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To: Torie

"Prole" problems: Average private-industry wage paid has decreased over the last few years, and inflation-adjusted, has decreased since 1976 (!)


181 posted on 10/05/2004 2:32:29 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: grey_whiskers
JP Morgan is INSOURCING

Yeah--from IBM. They pulled the contract after they found what BankOne has in IT resources.

182 posted on 10/05/2004 2:35:09 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Torie
with a CPI that overstates inflation

I've seen decent arguments on BOTH sides of the CPI--it's probably best to just assume it's true ad arguendem.

those who don't get paid based on hourly wages, which are not included,

Don't be so sure. The BEA dices EVERYBODY down to hourly wages--look at their regional breakdown of earnings.

They don't count dividends, though.

183 posted on 10/05/2004 2:39:56 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: lelio; Torie
What have rents done in the past couple of years versus the cost of buying a home?

Since a growing number of people own their own homes (lotsa easy mortgate credit,) in Wisconsin, at least, rental prices continue to go down or are subject to "specials"--90 days free, etc.

But you raise an interesting question.

About 6 months ago I read an item from Harris Bank/Chicago's economist which was VERY negative on housing prices--in essence, they have run way past their comparative rental value. Same news on another site today w/regards British RE values (which may well tail off quickly per the article.)

184 posted on 10/05/2004 2:45:55 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: eagle11

Kerry has NO plan to "yank those jobs back."

Kerry's part of the problem, regardless of his campaign lying.


185 posted on 10/05/2004 2:51:34 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Hoplite
median household income continues it's march upwards.

Nicely selected stat.

"Household" income going up merely means that there are more workers/household, and the demographics will prove it.

Babyboomers' chilluns are now teenaged and getting part-time jobs.

186 posted on 10/05/2004 3:00:55 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Kevin OMalley
Harleys are the only american made cycles any more.

Although your heart's in the right place, I am sure that the makers of Indian (and Buell) will be surprised to know this.

187 posted on 10/05/2004 3:03:06 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: MEGoody
Again, you are missing the point. The IT jobs have not been made obsolete, as was the manufacturing of buggy whips. The reason they are gone is third world wages, not technological innovation.
188 posted on 10/05/2004 3:06:52 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: MEGoody
there was a serious shortage of IT auditors

Interesting. There was a "serious shortage" of IT auditors in 1983, too; it was a "shortage" only because Arthur Anderson started recommending that everyone ought to have a couple around the office.

The shortage entirely disappeared by 1988, and, in fact, the number of IT auditors shrank seriously from then through (apparently) now.

The new "shortage" has to do with another accounting firm over-reading the requirements of Sarbanes-Oxley to jack up their fees...

Any decent financial auditor can do this work, assuming they have a few years' experience.

189 posted on 10/05/2004 3:13:15 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: jb6; A. Pole

And we learn today that the PMI "Services" index is down, again, and holding beneath 60 for almost the entire calendar year 2004.


190 posted on 10/05/2004 3:18:12 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: jb6; A. Pole

And we learn today that the PMI "Services" index is down, again, and holding beneath 60 for almost the entire calendar year 2004.


191 posted on 10/05/2004 3:18:13 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Again, you are missing the point. The IT jobs have not been made obsolete, as was the manufacturing of buggy whips. The reason they are gone is third world wages, not technological innovation.

Actually, the problem is that there was a huge speculative bubble that severely deformed the market for IT types, and put a lot of people who couldn't even spell "IT" into jobs as system admins, etc.

192 posted on 10/05/2004 3:20:05 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: MEGoody
There is a serious shortage of IT Auditors. Retool

A BS in Accounting is now a 5-year course per the governing accounting association (national.)

THEN, of course, one has to take a heavy programming (not MS crap) courseload, as well.

Finally, someone has to get hired by a CPA firm--or perhaps a very large industrial or financial--to actually get into the field.

193 posted on 10/05/2004 3:23:11 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: jb6

At this time, the world's debt-to-GDP total is around 300%; in the US, it's 330% (total Gummints, corporate, and individual debts.)

Unprecedented, period. Last time it was anywhere NEAR that high was just after 1929, and then it was only 200%, worldwide.


194 posted on 10/05/2004 3:31:22 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Poohbah

The bubble occurred in the runup to Y2K and was largely forced by Arthur Anderson's cash-cow, AndersonConsulting.

They were full of crap then, too...


195 posted on 10/05/2004 3:34:31 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
The bubble occurred in the runup to Y2K and was largely forced by Arthur Anderson's cash-cow, AndersonConsulting

Andersen Consulting was not the major cause of the bubble. The major cause was a lack of critical thinking on the part of venture capital firms. ("Uh, boss, there's this company working on some Internet thingie, can we spare $700,000,000?" "Sure.")

196 posted on 10/05/2004 3:36:40 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Kevin OMalley

I'm not much of a politician or a spin meister, this is as realistic as I can be.


197 posted on 10/05/2004 3:40:59 PM PDT by eagle11 (John Kerry - the WRONG candidate in the WRONG country.)
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To: Poohbah

We will disagree (although I used AA as a type, not the whole enchillada of scammers and fraudsters...)

The dotnet bunch simply didn't employ the vast majority of programmer/analysts and/or project managers; the Y2K projects did, until 1/2/2001.

There WAS a substantial minority employed by the dotcom bozos--yes.

We can agree that it was BOTH...


198 posted on 10/05/2004 3:43:44 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
The dotnet bunch simply didn't employ the vast majority of programmer/analysts and/or project managers; the Y2K projects did, until 1/2/2001.

"IT jobs" included the idiot who updated the web site news page for $70K/year plus stock options.

And, absent the threat of Y2K (which was a real worry), COBOL programmers were never going to be worth $80K/year.

Incidentally, while these programmers were fixing Y2K, they fixed OTHER problems as well. I saw a consulting firm's report that said that urgent fix projects on deployed systems declined about 30-40% in 2000 & 2001 relative to 1994-95, despite the code being much more complicated. Basically, Y2K marked the first time there'd ever been a concerted effort to fix systems BEFORE they broke.

199 posted on 10/05/2004 3:48:30 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: ninenot

indeed, that's how people are affording to buy houses here on long island - 3 or 4 wage earners per household now.


200 posted on 10/05/2004 4:38:21 PM PDT by oceanview
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