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KERRY DIDN'T GET IT DONE
NY POST ^ | October 1, 2004 | DAVID WINSTON , ROLL CALL

Posted on 10/01/2004 3:55:40 AM PDT by Liz

On the day of the most im portant debate in their political lives, President Bush was in shirt sleeves consoling Florida hurricane victims, patting some on the back, hugging others and shaking hands with the tired relief workers. John Kerry had a manicure.

If ever there was a metaphor for the difference between these two candidates and their respective relationships with the American people, it was this. As The Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes put Kerry's problem so succinctly last night, "This is a man who really needs to go bowling."

For all the back and forth between the two men, the debate did nothing to change that reality. Kerry's pontifical performance was light on specifics, heavy on criticism and plagued by the inconsistencies that have characterized his positions on Iraq for more than a year.

While there were few fireworks, I suspect swing voters did come away with a few perceptions. First, Bush knows what he's trying to accomplish. He believes deeply in the rightness of the war in Iraq and its centrality to the larger War on Terror. His message is the same message voters have heard since 9/11 — we will go on the offensive to fight terrorists wherever they are found to keep this nation safe.

On the other hand, voters saw Kerry continue to struggle to define his position on the war — justifying his latest position, which is to call the war a mistake, while promising to bring new allies on board to fight for what he terms a "grand diversion."

He failed totally to make a convincing case for either his strategic vision, what there is of it, or his so-called four-point tactical plan for winning in Iraq which bears a striking resemblance to what the Bush administration is already doing.

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To: dawn53

...I think Lehrer thought Kerry had not articulated his position correctly and it threw him for a loop when Kerry (who was preaching multi-national involvement) started criticizing mult-national involvement in N.Korea and talking about bilateral talks.......

As the man said......Kerry is consistantly inconsistant.

A glaring and extremely significant inconsistant hole in the Kerry stance. As allies, Asians don't matter, they are inferior to Euros.



41 posted on 10/01/2004 4:40:35 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: anoldafvet
Did anyone but me take offense to the story of the two soldiers who approached him in the airport and said "we need you"?

If the incident really happened, which is doubtful, they probably said, "We need you like we need a hole in the head." They were probably too "nuanced" for Kerry. :^)

42 posted on 10/01/2004 4:41:11 AM PDT by Samwise (The Pajama People: They also serve who hunt and peck.)
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To: dawn53
I have read nothing about the end of the debate and I was wandering if anyone else noticed Tereeeza as she came up on stage. First she wanted to be friends of the First Lady as I I watched her reaction the First Lady showed class as always trying to make Tareeeza look as though she was an important player as well, but as she was trying to exit from the embarrass from Tereeeza she was was been held onto as I noticed as though she didn't want to be left alone. To close as she and Kerry were about to exit the stage she nearly stepped off the front of the stage and fell, luckily Kerry grabbed her hand and led her off the stage. Now I am not saying she was under any influence but she, I hope was driving a vehicle anywhere in town.
43 posted on 10/01/2004 4:43:25 AM PDT by cav68
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To: Liz

Good catch! Kerry spoke to Jim Leher - if anyone - and NOT to the American people. Bush spoke to US.


44 posted on 10/01/2004 4:43:49 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Paradox

Kerry's statement that he would send nuclear fuel to the mullahs in Iran was mindboggling.


45 posted on 10/01/2004 4:46:21 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: UsnDadof8

I didn't know that. Does that include use by the 527s? Footage might be one thing, but what the candidate says must be public domain.


46 posted on 10/01/2004 4:46:53 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Liz

Lehrer?


47 posted on 10/01/2004 4:49:56 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: SW6906

http://www.georgewbush.com/debatefacts/Debate.aspx?stamp=9/30/2004%2010:16:46%20PM

Ammo!


48 posted on 10/01/2004 4:50:12 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Liz

I agree that this hi-lighted an extreme difference between the two and shows Bush to be the shrewder poker player.


49 posted on 10/01/2004 4:50:32 AM PDT by ventana
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To: cav68

50 posted on 10/01/2004 4:50:37 AM PDT by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: johnny7
Nah... he didn't win... Bush was just... just bad.

They ain't debates... they're question & answer sessions judged by style and delivery.

Bush flunked the latter badly... and he got a 'C' on the questions & answers. In short, he came close to 'stinkin' out the house'.


I agree wholeheartedly. Bush was neither focused nor articulate. His halting approach was an embarrassment as it appeared to me that he was always searching for the "right" words as opposed to defending his position or attacking Kerry's. As I said in another post, he left a lot of low-hanging fruit with Kerry. He could have closed the deal if only he had listened and responded to Kerry's ridiculous statements instead of repeating the same mantras over and over again. I know I'm being harsh, but this election is too important for the President to perform this badly again. Again, as I said in another post, I fear that we now, more than ever, need a big October surprise to put this race away.
51 posted on 10/01/2004 4:50:51 AM PDT by piperpilot (Right is right!)
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To: sgtbono2002

Kerry's "Pottery Barn Rule" statement that you fix what you break was also assinine. I think the PB rule is you break it, you buy it.


52 posted on 10/01/2004 4:56:34 AM PDT by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: Liz

That whole thing WAS dumb and, I think, was intended to show that Kerry is in touch with the little people. Like he would EVER grace the doorstep of a Pottery Barn.


54 posted on 10/01/2004 4:58:57 AM PDT by piperpilot (Right is right!)
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To: SkyPilot
"Bush showed he was the Defender of America, and Kerry showed he is a hyper-critical jerk who cannot make up his mind."

Yep. As I said last night, no undecided voter went away from that debate feeling he'd be safer under a Kerry Presidency.

55 posted on 10/01/2004 5:00:17 AM PDT by mass55th (Kerry: Classless and clueless!!!)
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To: piperpilot

The PBrn allusion was intended to show Kerry's common touch, but we should ask the American voter if they want a guy in the WH who gets a manicure and was botoxed and bronzed for a debate, who wears thousand dollar haircuts, and has a personal butler that waits on him hand and foot.


56 posted on 10/01/2004 5:04:41 AM PDT by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: anoldafvet

Exactly! I thought at the time that the airport incident never happened.


57 posted on 10/01/2004 5:06:52 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: dawn53
GW was on message as he needed to be.

sKerry was on both sides of each issue..give Iran nuke fuel...remove nuke material from Russia (how is he going to do it, 2 choices very costly bribes or force?)

Complain about NK having bomb material, yet wants to give them to Iran.

He didn't mention slick willie gave the same kind of 'sweetheart' deal to NK which is why we are in this position with NK.

Fight the WOT, BUT kill the bunker buster program and missile defense.

He wants 2 new divisions..but failed to say how he'd pay for them or how he'd entice 40,000 men and women to enter the Military. We are already taking on all that volunteer...which leaves sKerry with doing a DRAFT.

Bilateral talks with NK, but multilateral talks with Iran.

Like I said both sides of the issue, just different countries.

58 posted on 10/01/2004 5:08:22 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: Liz
"Here, Kerry, who harshly criticized Bush for rejecting multilateralism in the leadup to the Iraq war, was equally critical of Bush's insistence on maintaining a multilateral approach in dealing with North Korea today."

Kerry does this alot. His comments about Bush "outsourcing" Tora Bora to war lords is a prime example. Just a week or so ago, it was brought to light that after the first Gulf War, Kerry felt that outsiders and Iraqi rebels could have been used to topple Saddam Hussein so U.S. troops didn't have to. He always seems to want to have it both ways.

On another note, I rediscovered this comment by Kerry in a March 17, 1991 article about a visit to Iraq by Democratic Senators: "Kerry, who voted against the use of force in the gulf, said yesterday he has no regrets about his vote. But as he chatted with soldiers, he added he was "delighted by the outcome" of the war."

It's very reminiscent of his exchange with Diane Sawyer. When she asked him if the Iraq war was "worth it, Kerry said that "it depends on the outcome."

59 posted on 10/01/2004 5:15:16 AM PDT by mass55th (Kerry: Classless and clueless!!!)
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To: Musket

If people were looking for blow-hard entertainment, then Kerry won. If people were looking for steadfastness, consistency and a feeling of security, then Bush won. Although Bush repeated himself over the 90 minutes, it was obvious he was sincere about what he was saying. All Kerry did was pontificate and posture himself. He did not make anyone believe they'd be safer if he was in the Oval Office.


60 posted on 10/01/2004 5:18:19 AM PDT by mass55th (Kerry: Classless and clueless!!!)
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