Posted on 09/30/2004 5:57:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
Thread 1 - Pre-Debate discussion
I think President Bush did wonderful tonight. President Bush has a long history of watching and waiting to act when the time is right. After 9/11, he waited to attack until he was ready to succeed. I personally wanted us to go to war that night and wipe several countries off the map. But he waited, gathered strength and went in for the kill. I almost feel sorry for Kerry over the next 2 debates, as Bush sat back and observed tonight, didn't really put any heavy strikes out... but the time is coming..
They care about style over substance?
You act like G.W. Bush is the unknown he was 4 years ago. We KNOW this man. He led us through Sept. 11. He has spoken to us from his heart many times.
So maybe he had a bad night, big deal. He is the one we all know in our hearts, not the slick botoxed liar from Boston.
Style connects with some people for certain, and most of them are Democrats already. We already lost those, didn't we?
.... give Iran NUKE FULE.
.......stop Bunker Buster Program.
......put US National security to a "Global Test".
Kerry referred to Vietnam or his combat duty seven times, give or take.
He did well in clarifying his position on Iraq. It was a really good point for him.
Bush really pointed out the wavering, flip-flops of Kerry. That will resound with many independants, methinks.
Kerry nailed him on body armour, simply because Bush never responded to this charge.
Overall, Kerry seemed to be inconsistent: do we need more troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? Or do we need to get the job done and bring them home?
Big point of contention: Should we focus on building alliances with summits, or act alone to defend ourselves? What will swingers think?
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The winner of the debate does NOT get
to be President.
The WINNER of the Election gets to be
President.
WE vote.
They talk.
WE decide.
I agree with you. GW gave Kerry a pass on the character issue, on Vietnam. He should have smacked Kerry down on some of the lies he told and retold, too. Well, Fox thinks it was a draw. We have to do better next time, and hopefully, the new Swiftboat ad will nail Kerry tomorrow. TerAYsa bounding up on stage was a downer, too. She's a mess.
"For the people out there who don't eat and breath this stuff like we do -- they are going to think Kerry came across as informed and intelligent."
I disagree. My liberal, uninformed sister just called me and said that while she didn't think GWB did a good job that the one she was really watching (Kerry), talked a lot but didn't answer the questions and never clarified his position on anything. She also said that he came across as an arrogant snob.
Bush sleepwalked through the whole debate. Kerry won hands down.
Hard to spin this as positive in any way for bush. I hope I am just misunderestimating him, but I don't think so.
I think Kerry came off stronger but ironically that may work against him. People want someone who isn't boastfull to be in charge of war, they want someone who reflects and struggles.
There were no HOME RUN SOUNDBITES , No "I knew John Kennedy", "there you go again", "I will not use my opponents youth and inexperience". Also, no huge gaffes "No DINGELL NORWOOD DINGELL NORWOOD"
That menas the bottom line from this debate - Sound bite America will remember NOTHING by this time tomorrow. In that respect - final score - DRAW. No change.
DRAW. Nobody changed their minds tonight.
I don't think Bush got killed. He did fine. But Kerry did much better than expected. The holes in his arguments are obvious to political junkies, but those who don't live this stuff day-to-day won't see them.
Lots of traffic on FR tonight. It's really slow. I heard someone on CNN saying he'd been following the discussion on a 'right wing blog'. Gotta be FR.
Slight problem - what happens when NK bails out of the bilateral talks (unless, of course, F'em gives Krazy Kim Seattle)?
I've never heard a man use so many words, in 90 minutes, to say abosolutely NOTHING in my life! Kerry said he had a plan for Iraq. WHAT PLAN!? WHERE were the details? Drop Iraq flat to handle North Korea? Is THAT the plan? The Kerry dog and pony show for 90 LOOOOONG minutes!
You got it. He gave them another in his closing.....31pages!!
The debate tonight. Two empty suits trying not to make a mistake. They should both be ashamed. Not much from the heart.
dont forget the closer..
this is an opener
Rock on DC - Rock on.
Hey Sam.
It seemed like Bush deliberately passed up a lot of opportunities to nail Kerry on that "plan" of his, particularly when he could only muster a list of agenda items W already was doing. I think he was playing softball this first one. Hope the gloves come off, you could tell there were times he obviously had a "bit" more to say.
Boy, but FR is slow tonight. Totally unusable.
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