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Fracas breaks out at Church of the Holy Sepulcher
Jerusalem Post ^ | 9/27/04 | ETGAR LEFKOVITS

Posted on 09/27/2004 7:49:31 AM PDT by dukeman

JERUSALEM-- A violent brawl broke out Monday afternoon at Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulcher between Catholics over religious rights at the church, police said.

Police forces were called in to separate Franciscans and Greek Orthodox priests after they got into a fight over who would open the door of the church. Several people were lightly wounded by blows, and several suspects were detained for assault. After police intervened, the religious ceremony continued and calm was restored.

The church is the scene of periodic brawls between various Christian sects who share control over the church, as to who will take the lead in such religious ceremonies.

The site is revered by some Christian sects as the place where Jesus Christ is buried.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christianity; christians; church; holyland; holysepulchre; jerusalem; palestine; religion; sects
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1 posted on 09/27/2004 7:49:31 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: dukeman

I do hope nobody was shot in the fracas. That really hurts!


2 posted on 09/27/2004 7:50:24 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
When I was a teenager I kissed a girl on the veranda.
3 posted on 09/27/2004 7:51:32 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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To: dukeman
Isn't this the church that doesn't trust itself to open and close the place and a Muslim family (for centuries) has been the "gate-keeper?"
4 posted on 09/27/2004 7:51:54 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Jeff Chandler

"When I was a teenager I kissed a girl on the veranda.
"

I tried that once, but her brother beat me up.


5 posted on 09/27/2004 7:52:15 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: dukeman

Well the first thing wrong is that Jesus Christ isn't buried. But I get your original point.


6 posted on 09/27/2004 7:54:13 AM PDT by stevio (The Clinton '94 gun ban sunset! WooHoo!)
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To: dukeman

Franciscans getting into a fight pretty much blows my whole worldview.

Domenicans, on the other hand...


7 posted on 09/27/2004 7:54:40 AM PDT by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: stevio

:-) I like your use of "is" instead of "was." I always speak of Jesus in the present tense since He is still alive.


8 posted on 09/27/2004 7:57:07 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: dukeman

I bet they are closet freepers. :~)


9 posted on 09/27/2004 7:59:07 AM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: Mr. Thorne

Do Domenicans have a tougher rep than Franciscans?


10 posted on 09/27/2004 8:00:03 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: dukeman

"Just when you thought you had seen it all" ping.


11 posted on 09/27/2004 8:01:05 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: dukeman; MarMema; FormerLib
between Catholics over religious rights at the church, police said. Police forces were called in to separate Franciscans and Greek Orthodox priests after they got into a fight over who would open the door of the church.

First, Orthodox are not Catholics, Franciscans are a Catholic monestic order, Greek Orthodox are a branch of the over all Eastern Orthdox Church. Very big difference.

As for brawls there, they are continous. Nothing new.

12 posted on 09/27/2004 8:02:27 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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When I was a teenager I kissed a girl on the veranda.

I usually start with the lips, then move on to the veranda.

13 posted on 09/27/2004 8:05:30 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: dukeman
What's wrong is it looks like they're missing Christ's most important lessons.

As for what's wrong with this ...

"The site is revered by some Christian sects as the place where Jesus Christ is buried."

... Christianity may revere a place where Jesus Christ "WAS" buried, but you'd have to look to Judaism and Islam to find someone who believed He "is" buried.

14 posted on 09/27/2004 8:11:03 AM PDT by FreedomHammer
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To: MineralMan; Jeff Chandler
Geez, you kiss your mother with that mouth?

I should sic the Mods on you guys.

15 posted on 09/27/2004 8:12:08 AM PDT by Ranxerox (It is hard to type sarcastically)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
16 posted on 09/27/2004 8:14:06 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: dukeman

I'd have to check my Church history, but if I recall correctly, the D's were the driving force behind the various Inquistitions. Although I think the Spanish govt was behind the (naturally) Spanish Inquisition.

So yeah, they have (in my mind at least) a tougher rep. Franciscans are supposed to be, well, Franciscan (make me a channel of your peace, etc.). Dominicans are more the (church) Law and Order types.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Or...

I could be NUANCED! But that's another story entirely...


17 posted on 09/27/2004 8:16:45 AM PDT by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: dukeman

When a holy site becomes more important to us that that which it represents, then it has become a false idol and should be treated as such.


18 posted on 09/27/2004 8:21:56 AM PDT by The_Victor
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the D's were the driving force behind the various Inquistitions

It would be more accurate to say that the Dominicans served as personnel for Courts of Inquisition.

Dominicans were often trained as canonists - men versed in the Church's canon law.

In the inquisitorial courts there was an intersection of civil and canon law and Dominicans were often recruited to assist.

Among the Franciscans there was a long controversy over whether or not education was another form of earthly wealth which should not be desired for its own sake and perhaps should even be renounced as vanity. Among the Dominicans there was no such controversy and scholarship was encouraged throughout the order.

19 posted on 09/27/2004 8:24:17 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Mr. Thorne

How do they tell each other apart? Do they have secret handshakes or decoder rings?


20 posted on 09/27/2004 8:24:59 AM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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