Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 26 September 2004

Various big media television networks ^ | 26 September 2004 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, September 26th, 2004

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Secretary of State Colin Powell; former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld and former Texas Democratic gubernatorial candidate Garry Mauro, previous debate opponents of Sen. John Kerry and President Bush.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Gen. John Abizaid, head of the U.S. Central Command.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sens. Edward Kennedy (D-MA), and Lindsey Graham (R-SC).

THIS WEEK (ABC): Secretary of State Colin Powell; former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL); Stuart Stevens, Bush-Cheney media consultant.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Secretary of State Colin Powell; Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Joseph Biden (D-DE); former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger; Albright; Mahdi Obeidi, scientist and creator of Iraq's centrifuge; David Kay, former chief U.S. weapons inspector; Robert Gallucci, former U.N. weapons inspector.

The Chris Matthews Show (Various Channels): Norah O'Donnell, NBC News; Clarence Page, Chicago Tribune; Maria Bartiromo, Wall Street Journal Report, CNBC; and Cokie Roberts, ABC News.

CSPAN: Women Voters in the 2004 Election, featuring Ann Lewis, Chair, Democratic National Committee, Women's Vote Center and Christine Iverson, Press Secretary, Republican National Committee.

[evad]

Biden is a real shitbag. How he keeps getting re-elected is beyond me.

Shiite bag state with a lot of shiite bag liberals.

[Carolinamom]

Please ping me if you get an answer from Broder. Thanks in advance.

[GretchenM]

"Oh, Luuuuuu-ceeeee, what's the freeeeeeQuenceeeeee?"

[GretchenM]

From JustaCowgirl's post at 29: The pukability factor on that Chris Matthews show is going to be off the charts. Practically guaranteed to produce internal bleeding in any red-blooded American.

Well, what's the verdict? Did you see Chris M, and, if so, how're you holding up?

[RedBloodedAmerican]

LOL I thought my ears were burning!

I can't watch Matthews. He sounds like he is a stuck pig squealing all the time. So shrill.

[jackbill]

Will do. But don't hold your breath.

[GretchenM]

It's so horrifying to me that Bush41 didn't go on to Baghdad, in the name of not overdoing it or some such slop, when it resulted in Saddam murdering thousands more innocent Iraqi citizens, another war in the Gulf, the further build up and dissemination of WMD, etc.

I regularly thank God He raised up Bush43 to finish the job and start the work of planting the standard of peace in the region.

[GretchenM]

I read a debate critique recently naming critical moments, turning points, in national political perceptions (can't recall who wrote it, as usual). The author described the Gore attempt at intimidation and W's response as THE defining moment in the campaign, the time and place where both men showed their true stuff; score: W 1, Gore, Lost.

[M-cubed]

Biden is reporting for duty.
<<<Prolly in sombody elses uniform

[bvw]

Which wars since, say, 1700 have had a strong religious component?

The all do. Here are some OBVIOUS ones:

• The American Revolution ... ever hear of the "Great Awakening"? Well, without it no America. Jonathen Edwards, and and any Presbryterian preacher ... "Give them Watts, boys, give them Watts."

• The Civil War ... abolitionist movement was relogiously based.

• World War I ... the first Jewish War of modern times. Why? The reaction of Jews to oppression and pogroms in the Pale, the reaction of Austrians, Germans and Russians to the attempts by German Jews to look like Germans -- a mitosis along the axis of overweaning pride in the Fatherland.

• World War II .. the second Jewish War. culimated in the creation of Israel.

[GretchenM]

In the discussion last night, Hitchens did say that he is no longer a socialist.

That's encouraging. I wonder, if he did label himself in his transition, what he'd call himself now.

[bvw]

They ALL do. Every one. Just look and you'll find. Barb Tuchman looked but she didn't see what was in front of her. She wrote the best histories to date, imo, nevertheless. In all of history -- hers the best.

[CyberAnt]

And .. when FOX asked for a spokesperson to talk about the debates - democrats were a no-show!! Dan Barlett was the only guy.

DOES THIS MEAN THE DEMS ARE TERRIFIED OF THE DEBATES ..??

That's the signal I'm getting.

[GretchenM]

It is not petty to want to be treated respectfully regarding the most intensely personal aspect of our self, our names.

Thank you for saying that. My sentiments exactly.

My name was butchered in early school years, leaving me with a definite preference for the full use of it, or simply being called (in writing) G, or GM, Gem. I don't think it's petty to desire to have one's preference for a name honored. The pettiness, IMO, is on the part of those who refuse to comply with something so simple and polite.

[CyberAnt]

DEBATES!!

[DoctorMichael]

September 26, 2004 Reagan and Gorbachev: How the Cold War Ended by Jack Matlock, Jr.

? ?from the publisher's website In Reagan and Gorbachev , Jack F. Matlock, Jr., gives an eyewitness account of how the Cold War ended, with humankind declared the winner. As Reagan?s principal adviser on Soviet and European affairs, and later as the U.S. ambassador to the U.S.S.R., Matlock lived history: He was the point person for Reagan?s evolving policy of conciliation toward the Soviet Union. Working from his own papers, recent interviews with major figures, and archival sources both here and abroad, Matlock offers an insider?s perspective on a diplomatic campaign far more sophisticated than previously thought, led by two men of surpassing vision. Matlock details how, from the start of his term, Reagan privately pursued improved U.S.?U.S.S.R. relations, while rebuilding America?s military and fighting will in order to confront the Soviet Union while providing bargaining chips. When Gorbachev assumed leadership, however, Reagan and his advisers found a potential partner in the enterprise of peace. At first the two leaders sparred, agreeing on little. Gradually a form of trust emerged, with Gorbachev taking politically risky steps that bore long-term benefits, like the agreement to abolish intermediate-range nuclear missiles and the agreement to abolish intermediate-range nuclear missiles and the U.S.S.R.?s significant unilateral troop reductions in 1988. Through his recollections and unparalleled access to the best and latest sources, Matlock describes Reagan?s and Gorbachev?s initial views of each other. We learn how the two prepared for their meetings; we discover that Reagan occasionally wrote to Gorbachev in his own hand, both to personalize the correspondence and to prevent nit-picking by hard-liners in his administration. We also see how the two men were pushed closer together by the unlikeliest characters (Senator Ted Kennedy and François Mitterrand among them) and by the two leaders? remarkable foreign ministers, George Shultz and Eduard Shevardnadze. The end of the Cold War is a key event in modern history, one that demanded bold individuals and decisive action. Both epic and intimate, Reagan and Gorbachev will be the standard reference, a work that is critical to our understanding of the present and the past.

[macbee]

Ummm... Given that neither Ms. Tuchman (I don't know her well enough to call her "Barb") nor Jacques Barzun (arguably the greatest living historian) cite religion as a major component of any of these conflicts, I find your analysis less than convincing.

That said, I fear we have ventured far off-topic from this thread. If you want to continue off-line, please feel free to FReepmail.

[bvw]

So are youe a nazi? The thread nazi? Someone appointed you master of thread content?

Well, laddie or lassie, ken this! A good thread takes a wander now and then.

I've been here a wee bit langer than you 'ave, and I am bold to pull me rank on you.

Young Tuchman, Barb -- she ne'er DID find the cause of war, eh? A wonderous reporter and researcher and defter than any writer of history to make it come alive, she was.

Yet those very skills may have blocked her sight towards those great marching forests of history for her's the more subtle focus on leaves and bark. The conductor of all's hand is yet obvious in the grand scheme o' things. And the Great War of two stages that started in 1911 -- Tisha b'Av the very day the Germans entered in -- was a War to liberate Jews from two forms of oppression: spiritual and physical, and to result under Truman's KKK-beringed hand to reform Isreal a nation and a country once again.

[CedarDave]

Wow! What a well written aricle by Hanson. Worth another bump here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1225723/posts

[MEG33]

http://class.et.byu.edu/mfg202/lecturenotes/lecture8.htm

ABSOLUTISM AND RELIGIOUS WARS (1600'S)...17th Century