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China beats US as top investor choice
Daily Express ^ | Friday, 24 September, 2004 | AFP

Posted on 09/23/2004 12:11:49 PM PDT by Willie Green

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GENEVA: China overtook the United States as a top destination for foreign direct investment (FDI) in 2003 and the Asia-Pacific region attracted more investment than any other region in the world, a UN report said Wednesday.

China and India were joining Malaysia, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan as sources of foreign direct investment, it said.

Strong manufacturing industry in China helped the country attract FDI last year worth US53.5 billion (RM214b), compared with US52.7b (RM210b) in 2002, the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) said in its annual report on investment flows.

Meanwhile, foreign investment in the United States, traditionally the largest recipient of such money, plunged by 53 per cent last year to reach US30b, the lowest level for 12 years, according to data from UNCTAD's World Investment Report 2004.

Flows to the Asia-Pacific region as a whole rebounded over the year to 107 billion dollars from 94 billion in 2002 driven by strong economic growth and a better investment environment, the agency said.

China was expected to continue to attract foreign companies, analysts said.

"According to our analysis, FDI in China has not peaked although their economic growth rates have fallen," UNCTAD economist James Zhan said.

The outbreak of deadly Severe Acute Respiratory Disease (SARS) had only a marginal downward effect on investment activity as Asia emerged from the decline in foreign investment it had experienced since 2001, the report noted.

"Prospects for a further rise in foreign direct investment flows to Asia and the Pacific in 2004 are promising," UNCTAD's Deputy Sec-Gen, Carlos Fortin, said in a statement.

But the distribution of the new wealth was uneven across the region, with most of the money - US72b (RM288b) - concentrated in north-east Asia.

Flows to south-east Asia rose 27 per cent to US19b (RM76b), while the south merely received RM6b (RM24b) in FDI.

The manufacturing sector remained the dominant factor that pulled investment into China, but a rise in investment in the services industry was noted elsewhere in line with the global trend, UNCTAD said.

Services, including finance, tourism, telecommunications and information technology, formed a growing proportion of foreign direct investment stock in the region - up to 50 per cent in 2002, the most recent figure available, from 43 percent in 1995, UNCTAD said.

UNCTAD said that a growing tendency to shift some business activities overseas to places where labour costs are low but the workforce is skilled helped to raise the region's profile.

Asian companies were also growing in power and reach as investors in other regions, according to the Geneva-based agency.

Asian firms, such as Hutchinson Whampoa of Hong Kong, Singapore's Singtel and Samsung of South Korea, again dominate the UNCTAD list of the top companies from the developing world. - AFP


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: china; globalism; thebusheconomy; trade
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To: LowCountryJoe
America is blessed with abundant and diverse natural resources, Joe.
And as you well know, my preference is that we maintain our sovereign independence by striving to utilize our own resources first, minimizing the necessity for international trade by having a flourishing and diverse domestic economy.

I'm also well aware that those conservative principals of self-reliance and self-sufficiency are an anathema to you. You would prefer to shackle our nation with dependency on foreign supplies of goods. That is why you denigrate the "protectionists" of national security.
You really ARE low, Joe. Very, very low.

21 posted on 09/24/2004 12:32:20 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I'm also well aware that those conservative principals of self-reliance and self-sufficiency...

Why not mention limited government too, Willie? Afraid to go that far?

It is thoroughly amazing that throughout history this argument has come about thousands of times. Whether to isolate and be in total autarky. Or, to exchange something of value - something that you have a surplus of - with someone else - who also has a surplus of some good - so that you, as a consumer, can have more of a diversity of products for consumption. If it works in your neighborhood, why is it not good on the world stage...unless of course you must discriminate against trading with someone who looks different from you.

It is quite interesting that you can not provide evidence of these actions subverting national sovereignty...what will you do now; site the WTO with their non enforceable legal powers? Let's ask one other question, Willie? Do trading partners tend to be more or less at conflict with each other? You may have to try thinking like a rational person to answer this one.

22 posted on 09/24/2004 1:10:42 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe ("How the Far Right Has Been Left [and] Behind" - PJB)
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To: Willie Green

So, in answering my question the way you did; does that mean that you prefer not having any trade at all?


23 posted on 09/24/2004 1:12:36 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe ("How the Far Right Has Been Left [and] Behind" - PJB)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Nothing that extreme. Trade our surpluses for what we're incapable of producing.


24 posted on 09/24/2004 1:16:30 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

There is a heck of a lot of investment in China. In 1983, when I first set up a factory there (selling into the Chinese and Asian markets, not back to the U.S.), 40 other companies set up shop in the same city.

Now the numbers of new factories in that city can be counted in the hundreds.

These are not shabby operations either. Very new, clean and proper facilities. Any small town in Ohio or Pennsylvania would drool at the chance to have just one of those factories set up in their town.

It is definately a different place to do business. But, it was generally easier to operate in China than I found it to be in the U.S. The paperwork regulations in the U.S. make even Chinese accounting regulations look like childs play.

The Chinese want your business and the welcome mat is out. The U.S. needs to get out that welcome mat and replace the comparatively hostile U.S. business climate.


25 posted on 09/24/2004 1:22:50 PM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: LowCountryJoe

[ tend to service the machines that make the goods rather then make the goods directly]

Don't the machines and the servicing labor force need to be in the same location?


26 posted on 09/24/2004 1:32:02 PM PDT by VxH (Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there - Isa 28)
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To: Willie Green
Nothing that extreme. Trade our surpluses for what we're incapable of producing.

I'll let the fact that you contradicted yourself slide. This revelation of your's is progress.
OK, what if we are capable of producing everything but some of those things are much more costly (in terms of labor) to produce in relation to other things that can be produced - things that bring consumers much more utility (satisfaction)? What if we couldn't possibly produce everything to meet the preferred domestic demand? Should we choose to skimp on things just because we're capable of producing everything but abhor someone else doing it for us more cheaply?

27 posted on 09/24/2004 1:34:18 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe ("How the Far Right Has Been Left [and] Behind" - PJB)
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To: VxH
Don't the machines and the servicing labor force need to be in the same location?

Yes!!! My point is that we are indeed still making stuff here. We do it with less labor than ever. I looked at my post again and don't thing that I left the impression of anything else otherwise.

28 posted on 09/24/2004 1:38:48 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe ("How the Far Right Has Been Left [and] Behind" - PJB)
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To: Willie Green; Havoc

Liberals are hostile to economic self-sufficiency - so strongly, that they believed in war to 'open up markets'. The most famous example is the Opium War, when Britain forced the Chinese Empire to allow the import of opium. This liberal belief in market expansionism has revived after the end of the Cold War.
--Liberalism, market, ethics


29 posted on 09/24/2004 1:39:36 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
I am a proud "Liberal", Hedgetrimmer...a proud Classical Liberal. Now then, please tell me Hedgetrimmer, is the Heritage Foundation a liberal think-tank?
30 posted on 09/24/2004 1:53:11 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe ("How the Far Right Has Been Left [and] Behind" - PJB)
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To: LowCountryJoe
[My point is that we are indeed still making stuff here.]
 
My misunderstanding.  Thanks for pointing that out.
 
My blinders were on and I had in mind the instances where entire factories, including the production machines, had been moved overseas - those are the examples that the MSM tends to focus on.
 
I can see where you are correct.  The Japanese auto manufacturers who have established production facilities in the U.S., for example.  Those assembly line robots do require servicing.  
 
 
Have you seen "The Terminal".  It's a wonderful illustration of what can be accomplished when an individual makes the most of the opportunities that are available - instead of standing behind a glass door, pining away for what's on the other side.

31 posted on 09/24/2004 2:01:02 PM PDT by VxH (Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there - Isa 28)
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To: VxH

Have you seen "The Terminal". = Have you seen "The Terminal"?


32 posted on 09/24/2004 2:07:26 PM PDT by VxH (Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there - Isa 28)
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To: LowCountryJoe

I guess you can say I am too close to the situation? Folks that I worked with in Hong Kong were leaving and none too happy about the hand-over. Taiwan will be the deciding factor, that and their overt flaunting of international trade laws regarding patent and copyright infringement.


33 posted on 09/24/2004 3:25:42 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: VxH
No, I haven't seen it but I'll be sure to investigate the link. Thank you for your candor regarding the misunderstanding. That type of character - the display of integrity - is not seen often enough here.
34 posted on 09/24/2004 5:06:33 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe ("How the Far Right Has Been Left [and] Behind" - PJB)
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To: Willie Green

just like Thailand was the top choice in 1996


35 posted on 09/24/2004 5:09:06 PM PDT by OhGeorgia
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To: LowCountryJoe
is the Heritage Foundation a liberal think-tank?

Looking at their trade policy, yes I would say they are. In fact, by supporting the WTO Doha round, they appear to support international global socialism, because the Doha round implements a wide variety of socialist infrastructure building programs in least developed countries.

That the United States taxpayer should fund the transfer of their wealth to least developed countries, and the fact that least developed countries are guaranteed advantage over American producers and manufacturers in the Doha round speaks not of equal justice or equal playing fields but openly advocates advantaging other countries in the treaties. Now this idea doesn't sit well with free enterprise, where a producer or manufacturer should be able to sell their products to global customers without having to give other countries some kind of advantage over them that want to play in the same marketplace.

Being a classic liberal, you must despise the WTO, as they have created a trading system that is not based on freedom or free enterprise, but of managing the capital flows into the charity country of their choice and destroying small producers who lack the capital for foreign investment. Small producers who might have landholdings or private property but no cash lose their property in the "free trade" market scheme. A classic liberal would want to protect that property for its owner, and not create a system that makes it impossible for small producers or indviduals to own property.
36 posted on 09/24/2004 5:09:35 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Willie Green

does this mean Willie is angry that foreigners arent investing here anymore?


37 posted on 09/24/2004 5:10:06 PM PDT by OhGeorgia
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To: mabelkitty

Hey, if you have first or second hand knowledge, then you are much more familiar with the inner-workings of China than I am. I'm just going off of the things I read in business oriented publications and my belief that the "capitalism genie" will not want to go back to its bottle.


38 posted on 09/24/2004 5:12:01 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe ("How the Far Right Has Been Left [and] Behind" - PJB)
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To: Willie Green
Yes, "foreign direct investment" usually means more than simply purchasing stocks on the NYSE. It includes acquisition of real estate, timber, mining and water rights and purchase of assets from other businesses, (hotels, factories, office buildings, warehouses, strip malls, etc. etc.) Foreign direct investment is usually good, if they actually operate these businesses. Sometimes it's not-so-good, if the acquisition is merely intended to reduce competition and consolidate the market.

Thanks for the info as I wasn't clear on the meaning of "foreign direct investment". However, I did find the following definition of it at http://economics.about.com/cs/economicsglossary/g/fdi.htm:

Definition: FDI stands for Foreign Direct Investment, a component of a country's national financial accounts. Foreign direct investment is investment of foreign assets into domestic structures, equipment, and organizations. It does not include foreign investment into the stock markets. Foreign direct investment is thought to be more useful to a country than investments in the equity of its companies because equity investments are potentially "hot money" which can leave at the first sign of trouble, whereas FDI is durable and generally useful whether things go well or badly.

Hence, it doesn't include investments in stocks and is, as you said, usually thought to be more useful. It is interesting (and a bit disturbing) to see foreign direct investment going down so sharply. I would be interesting to know where the U.S. dollars dispersed via our trade deficit are going instead of to direct investments.

39 posted on 09/25/2004 2:09:45 AM PDT by remember
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To: OhGeorgia
does this mean Willie is angry that foreigners arent investing here anymore?

Despite the administration's ballyhooed hype of tax cuts and claims that our economy is more "productive", the dropoff in foreign direct investment is direct proof that our domestic economy has become more hostile to business investment. Yes, this IS a direct result of administration policies that favor outsourcing and offshore investment. The administration is actively engaged in economic warfare AGAINST our domestic industries and the prosperity of the American Middle Class that they employ.

40 posted on 09/25/2004 8:55:42 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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