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Live Thread: CBS Defense of Fraud Memos, 5pm EST
Free Republic ^ | 15 Sept 2004 | gobucks

Posted on 09/15/2004 1:59:55 PM PDT by gobucks

Howlin set a great example last sept 8th when he started a live thread for the 60 minutes II story.

Let's see how much squirmin we here ....


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cbs; hoax
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To: CaptSkip

Will the wife and son also give statements?


321 posted on 09/15/2004 2:47:20 PM PDT by CaptainK
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To: ColoCdn
Can someone update me on this hugh story, seriesly?

I didn't know Hugh was in any series.

But seriously, I don't know what the heck is happening either.

322 posted on 09/15/2004 2:47:33 PM PDT by Rokurota
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To: YaYa123
Dobbs thinks CBS will continue it's defense which is coordinated with others, that the document was false, but the contents are true.

IOW, without the real documents to support her story, all they have is hearsay.

323 posted on 09/15/2004 2:47:34 PM PDT by tacticalogic ( But then, I am already in my pajamas.)
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To: ColoCdn

Only if it is one of those new 'stun gun' beebers.


324 posted on 09/15/2004 2:47:43 PM PDT by dglang
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To: Petronski

LOL!


325 posted on 09/15/2004 2:47:55 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ColoCdn
By the way, is it dangerous to take a beeber in the shower?

It'll stune you something awful. Or so I hear....

326 posted on 09/15/2004 2:48:03 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: gobucks
If you go to the CBS News home page, the advertisement at the top contains three clocks.

Just thought that was kind of funny, given CBS's temporal problems of late.

327 posted on 09/15/2004 2:48:11 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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from about half-way down on nro/kerryspot
http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp


UH, SOMETHING'S FUNNY ABOUT THIS 'SWEET OLD LADY' [09/15 08:50 AM]

The Kerry Spot, as a rule, doesn't like criticizing 86-year-old former Air National Guard secretaries. But there is something very odd about the current statements of Marian Carr Knox, former secretary to Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.

As the Houston Chronicle noted:

Knox said she decided to report her recollection of the time period to the media after hearing White House press officials say the information in the memos was false.
Did anyone in the White House say this? I thought they were standing with their rote response, "The President was honorably discharged... The President was honorably discharged..."

Further down, we read:

Last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of prominent people, such as Bush and others.
But she told The New York Times: "We did discuss Bush's conduct and it was a problem Killian was concerned about," Mrs. Knox said. "I think he was writing the memos so there would be some record that he was aware of what was going on and what he had done."

One week she's saying she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's service, the next she's saying she discussed it with Killian.

Knox also claims in the Houston Chronicle Killian "kept copies to protect himself," contradicting the widow and the son. She says Killian didn't type, that she typed for him - but says she never typed a memo like this. So how did a memo "like this, in this vein, reflecting these opinions," etc. get created? Her contention that the memos reflected Killian's opinion seems more like an assertion or wishful thinking than anything supported by the rest of the facts. Remember, in the verified documents, Killian says nice things about Bush.

I am sure Knox is a very nice 86-year-old woman. But her story seems, at this point, to be unreliable.


328 posted on 09/15/2004 2:48:28 PM PDT by jer2911tx (john kerry doesn't like rice, or as he calls it 'weapons of ass destruction')
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To: YaYa123

This is my prediction, too--"You can't pick on the nice little old lady"--defense. Dittoes the "it may not be authentic, but it represents what could have happened."


329 posted on 09/15/2004 2:48:32 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Pajamamama)
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To: RinaseaofDs
I'm hip deep into SOX right now. What a very interesting observation.

Hmmm . . . then shouldn't they have made the market aware that they were going to make a big splash with forged memos 48 hours ahead, too? ;-)

330 posted on 09/15/2004 2:48:44 PM PDT by maryz
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To: All

When does CBS News come on in Eastern Time Zone??


331 posted on 09/15/2004 2:48:54 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: gobucks
She is a she, yep. I know that for real now.

C'mon. Howlin is more modest than that...

332 posted on 09/15/2004 2:48:59 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Bob

"Yes, it is real. I believe it was posted on Kerry's campaign web site."

LOL, it is awful. I swear, there is a mole in the Kerry Kamp.


333 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:02 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: ColoCdn
By the way, is it dangerous to take a beeber in the shower?

Just don't drink any iced tea beforehand.
334 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:02 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Daddy, are there bad men on your planes?")
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To: MarDav

And for those who don't want to hit and run (here is the excerpt from National Review's Jim Geraghty);

UH, SOMETHING'S FUNNY ABOUT THIS 'SWEET OLD LADY' [09/15 08:50 AM]

The Kerry Spot, as a rule, doesn't like criticizing 86-year-old former Air National Guard secretaries. But there is something very odd about the current statements of Marian Carr Knox, former secretary to Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.

As the Houston Chronicle noted:

Knox said she decided to report her recollection of the time period to the media after hearing White House press officials say the information in the memos was false.
Did anyone in the White House say this? I thought they were standing with their rote response, "The President was honorably discharged... The President was honorably discharged..."

Further down, we read:

Last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of prominent people, such as Bush and others.
But she told The New York Times: "We did discuss Bush's conduct and it was a problem Killian was concerned about," Mrs. Knox said. "I think he was writing the memos so there would be some record that he was aware of what was going on and what he had done."

One week she's saying she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's service, the next she's saying she discussed it with Killian.

Knox also claims in the Houston Chronicle Killian "kept copies to protect himself," contradicting the widow and the son. She says Killian didn't type, that she typed for him - but says she never typed a memo like this. So how did a memo "like this, in this vein, reflecting these opinions," etc. get created? Her contention that the memos reflected Killian's opinion seems more like an assertion or wishful thinking than anything supported by the rest of the facts. Remember, in the verified documents, Killian says nice things about Bush.

I am sure Knox is a very nice 86-year-old woman. But her story seems, at this point, to be unreliable.


335 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:07 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: Richard Kimball

If it was my dead husband or dad whose honor CBS was dragging through the mud, I would get myself a laywer and sue the $hit out of them.


336 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:14 PM PDT by hansel
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To: YaYa123
CBS has stated in many statements that they have been working on this story for 4 years.

But they didn't find the secretary until today......?

337 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:19 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: ColoCdn
By the way, is it dangerous to take a beeber in the shower?

Not dangerous. Terribly crude, however.

338 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:28 PM PDT by Wissa
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To: YaYa123

If they put the secretary on the air and try to shift the focus from the documents to her own recollections, will they be able to rekindle the story?


339 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:30 PM PDT by Bonaventure
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To: usmcobra
"They are trying to sober Dan up long enough to stick a gun in his mouth."

Oh, you are so bad...wink, wink.
340 posted on 09/15/2004 2:49:34 PM PDT by CaptSkip (Behold the power of TNM: TheNewMedia)
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