Posted on 09/14/2004 3:50:28 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com
WE are playing into their hands:::::
we need to get past this ....this is what the DEMS want..a side track.....EXPOSE KERRY, Bush can defend himself!!!
this new article about kerry's silver star ...has longer legs regarding the truth about kerry, but press is killing time on this ALREADY BELEIVED TO BE A FORGERY....
**** this is a no brainer...DNC wants Bloggers consumed on this, so swiftvet, and Truth about KERRY DIRECTLY doesn't get presssed *****
The New media is watching and documenting, Wrather's demise will be the best documented story in over a half century. Objective and complete.
Kerry hit the self destruct button. He is showing America why they shouldn't vote for him. If he tries to attack again, we'll smack him down. Bush/Cheney should be allowed to have SOME fun with him!
Even the OJ jury would convict these frauds.
TRUE,,,BUT THE TIME IS WASTEING.... OTHER ITEMS NEED TO BE BROUGHT OUT....KERRY HAD TO TAKE AWAY FROM HIS OWN VIETNAM EXPERIENCE,,,,
THE msm AND kerry advisors have done that....they hope all will put this before Swiftvets, and the TRUTH....also in the end the MSM (cbs) can drag it out longer than we can on purpose...thus taking air time, they will then after the election if they LOSE, they can admit error...but the battle will be one by dragging it out., just as N.Viet knew from KERRY's words, made them hang on....as time is the worse enemy if winning a war (including a battle against MSM). The more the debate it the more air time they get. to spin and spin and spin. thus icing over other frauds!
1) Why has the White House not challenged either the authenticity of the documents, or the truth of the events described therein?
The WH doesn't need to question the authenticity - of the memos - it's being done for them, and even the NY Times & Washington Post is doing it. As to the truth of the content - it's irrelevant if the docs are fake.
2) Are you certain that the documents were typed by Killian himself? Are you certain the documents were not typed by a Killian aide who may still be alive, and is Rather's source?
Apparently you've missed out on the comments from Killian's son, and widow. Both say he didn't type, didn't not keep private files. I'll concede the second point - it's possible - but, needs to be proven. But I won't bet my tinfoil hat on it.
3) Do you realize that IBM Selectrics, purchased on government research grants, were in widespread use in universities of that time period?
Do you know for a fact that the TANG had them? Put up, or shut up.
4) Do you realize that it was a commonplace for typists who did not have custom features on their typewriters to manually adjust the line spacing, and sometimes the font, to insert subscripts and superscripts in mathematical and chemical texts?
Yeah, so? The letter spacing, widths and things have been said to be equal town to the twip level - or even pixel level on the CBS docs, and one you could produce on Word 2000.
5) Do you realize that variations in the heights of superscripts (and depths of subscripts) were commonly seen within single documents typed in that time period because typists had variable skill in making manual adjustments to line spacing?
Thanks for stating the obvious - see above.
Thank you for replying to one of my queries. As one who reviewed hundreds of grant applications and doctoral theses in the 1970s, I can report that the typography was exceedingly variable, but not infrequently, it measured up to anything one usually sees with word processors in the 1990s. My mention of mathematical and chemical texts was only intended to note that the advent of IBM electric typewriters generally put an end to the sort of typescripts that had been universally seen before that time when texts that required copious superscripts and subscripts -- as mathematical and chemical texts do -- had had such specialized entries inserted in handwritten form.
Regarding your point number three:
See #10 in article:
"Rather also failed to respond to a barrage of charges raised by Washington Post, including confirmation of a scoop first reported by RatherBiased.com that Bush's Air National Guard office did not use expensive IBM typewriters capable of printing documents in a proportional font."
Read the Post article. They looked through over 100 TexANG documents and didn't find a single one made with proportional fonts.
Memorandum re: Lincoln cover-up
To: Dan Rather
From: CBS News bigwigsContinue your search for supporting materials for the story on Abe Lincoln's [proven] use of mill-driven equipment to split rails.
We know the technology existed back then. It logically follows that "Old Abe," [the opportunistic and divisive Republican president], would have taken advantage of the technology.
It's time to expose "Honest Abe" the so-called "Railsplitter" for the liar he really was.
Nice summary reference bump
I will agree with your "possibilities". I will also add that the font used was developed by Rupert Murdock's company for the London Times in 1980 and then licensed to MS later.
Are there any other documents any where from that period using that font and spacing techniques along with the "superscript"? I haven't seen any posted.
Duly noted.
Please note my post #29 on this thread, for a "tongue-in-cheek" handling of the topic of co-existent technologies.
Thanks for responding to my queries.
You are about 30 degrees behind YESTERDAY'S power curve, my man.
All these questions are asked and answered, conclusively and authoritatively.
1. The White House HAS challenged the authenticity of the documents. The First Lady did so today, and stated forthrightly that she believed them to be outright forgeries.
2. KILLIAN typed the memos? Are you nuts? Killian had passed away over a decade before it was even possible to type these memos.
3. Do I realize that IBM Selectrics were in widespread use in Universities at that time? Duh. I USED on at a University at that period of time. I also used an IBM 360 computer. So what? Does that have even the slightest relevance to this discussion?
4. Yes, that to, and again, so what. NO amount of manual manipulation of a typewriter platen, line spacing, rolling up or down or changing the font ball can possibley result in the documents in question. This is the point previously proven. Try to keep up.
5. This one is a hoot! As if theis discussion were being hled over such a simplistic point. Of course a typist could manually roll the platen to create a superscript or subscript. But there IS NO WAY that any typist in 1972 could have created these documents with ANY amount of manual tweaking. Already proven.
Contrary to you assertin that these points have not received much attention to date, these are the points that has been analyzed to death and beyond while you were in the shower or on a cruise.
And here is something for YOU to think about: How would Killian or anyone else know in 1972 exactly how to tweak an IBM Slelctric to mimic a document produced on a computer in Microsoft Word using Apple licensed TrueType technology 15 years before they existed? Was he the clairvoyant of the Age, or a time traveler? It has to be one or the other.
What's your theory?
I mentioned elsewhere that as a freep, I'm going to deliver a copy of Unfit for Command to my local CBS affilate explaining how wrong Rathers piece was and how they should do a story on Kerry's Viet Nam service.
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You made me laugh and now my blood pressure has dropped a little...Thanks.
Its silly to speculate on who the person was that typed a memo on a MAKE-BELIEVE typewriter.
Rather going to be sucking wind when he finally has to admit they are forgeries. It won't be any new evidence he suddenly comes across, it will just be him trying to make the case he hasn't been stonewalling it.
If you ask the White House, you'll get the true answer, I suppose.
In case you don't ask them, here are some hypothetical answers to why [other than Laura] the WH hasn't addressed this tempest in a teapot...
Boy, for a guy who shirks his own job, Kerry sure is eager to tell others what they should do and what they've done wrong.
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