AP stands by its story about anti-Bush SEAL (Freeper Travis McGee mentioned)

The definition of MSM "journalism" is to find someone who parrots their personal agenda. That makes the "interviewee" an unquestionable expert in their mind.

Exactamundo. Just Kitty Kellys.

Matt, can you link that other thread info....i just got in from car wash work and am trying to catch up.

*almost had a fisticuff/gun battle with a drunk young tuff from my least favored demographic....fortunately, his pals dragged his stupid arse off before things got wet.

best pump I've had since surgery....I'm almost there...gotta get back on that weight pile...lol

no good sumbitches....when I was 20 years old I would have never dreamed of challenging an old man...never....what happened to these kids?

Witness the dawning of the new age of information exchange...FreeRepublic will now and forever be considered a legitimate source of news and research.

Its a new age...we have cracked the veneer of the establishment media...Over the last two weeks, FR has been cited by numerous media sources as a legitimate voice in the dialog stream...

Congrats Jim Rob'...we are a new 'mainstream' media source...

I am glad to be your friend. For any interested I am listed in this fine man's book, Enemies Foreign and Domestic, on the acknowledgement page. One of the biggest honor that I can point to in my life. Think about it. It means the world to me to be mentioned by a Real Deal SEAL

Amen...you and me both!

My wife shows it to all our friends who come over.

This has been a good week...good folk on this forum have wounded our foes in the midst of their deceit.

* and Matt is pretty good about remembering his friends...I will attest to that to.

LOL. MSM, eh? Don't know what to think of that. Maybe MSMW would be better: Mainstream Media Watchdog.

Wasn't a waste of time Travis regardless of what some think.. All was done above board by amateurs on FR and the Fake Seal web site, used the posers number he posted on the web and asked him. He gave the same lie thus it wasn't a AP guy that got it wrong it was this POS that lied to a bunch of folks who saw him for what he is . The normal everyday piss ant lying Kerry supporter. Negates any hard work or respect he built for himself with decades of service to his country in one dumb move......as ya suggest too much time spent on something you already knew the answer to. Ya just proved yer point and trolls are pissed.

Good Work !...

Stay safe !

Nice job. The rats are pissing themselves.

Hmmmm... which reminds me. The media is supposed to be a watchdog on the government which is supposed to be a watchdog on our rights. When this fails, guess there's no substitute for citizens watching out for there own rights. Thank God for Al Gore's Internet. With a too big media in bed with a too big government, the Internet becomes an equalizer.

Minor says Majied didn't give him his previous name, "and I didn't press the matter."

Minor, like Dan Rather, prefers to go to the mat for his boy Kerry rather than protect his own credibility. What a scumbag.

Note to Dan Rather - Free Republic has the frequency.

Good work TM!

Hey, don't bust your zipper! I'll ping you to the retraction.

He's probably a major sleeper cell leader TM...

Arrogance is a two edged sword. Now it is time for that arrogance to cut these pseudo elites down to their real size.

NO KIDDING BTTT

lol

my zipper thanks you...dammit.

that 20 pounds I lost at surgery is back even though I walk 4-8 miles at 4 miles per hour every day....religiously.

I just so damned hungry.

That must be the case with Rather too. He feels the docs are authentic, therefore they must be authentic.

Did any of the MSM ever take any investigative journalism classes. My daughter conducted more thorough investigations on her kindergarten science fair project!

Thanks to leanwrite, this liar has admitted to lying about being a seal.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214014/posts?page=469#469

http://www.leanwrite.com/politics/040913sealtrackers.html

Politics
THE POWER OF THE BLOGOSPHERE: THE SEAL TRACKERS
by John S (john at leanwrite dot com)
September 13, 2004

It really just started with a hunch. Among the news stories that I perused online on September 11, one stood out....a feature article from the AP's Elliott Minor interviewing active duty and former military personnel about President Bush's Air National Guard military records. The story took many different headlines, but a fairly common one was similar to what appeared on Yahoo News, "U.S. Servicemen React to Bush Guard Memos." Media outlets as large as ABC News and USA Today placed the story on their sites, and as I write this, Google News reports 121 articles going by that headline, from media across the United States and the world.

Much of the article was fairly neutral in tone, but one section near the end caught my attention:

Ahmad Majied of Albany says the latest allegations about Bush's military record are more troubling to him than allegations about service honors leveled at Democratic challenger Kerry.

Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years.

"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."

It was an odd section in many respects....it was the only quote in the article specifically anti-Bush, and Mr. Majied seemed an unlikely candidate for a US Navy SEAL....while I've only had the privilege of talking to a few of the real operators, none of my past reading would indicate to me there's a great many Democrat-leaning SEALs with Arabic names, and especially with experience in Vietnam. I thought it might be interesting to learn more about Mr. Majied's background.

The first place I turned was a leading web site for SEAL verification, Authentiseals.org. This site had helped me out a great deal several years ago while investigating another person online who claimed to have been a SEAL, and maintains a "Wall of Shame", showing hundreds of people who have been caught lying about their SEAL background. When I plugged Mr. Majied's name into their form at 4:00 PM on the 11th, I received a form-letter email back within a half-hour:

Thanks for checking with us - we greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Your sniffer is working "GREAT"!

If the name you provided was "spelled accurately", we do NOT have a listing for anyone named "Majied" in our entire database of slightly more than 10,000 names.

Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a full legal name change since his claimed service with the SEAL Teams, I can state conclusively that the man NEVER completed SEAL training, and thus he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL. While there are other training steps that must be completed on the path to becoming a SEAL, BUD/S training is the first and most vital, and that training course is totally unclassified. Without having first completed BUD/S training, a man cannot go on to become a SEAL. There are definitely secret SEAL missions, but despite anything the man might have said, there are NO secret SEALs.

I then began to look in the Albany, NY white pages, looking for an Ahmad Majied in order to talk to him. No luck. I spent the next day trying to decide what to do. It didn't seem fair or professional to write an article attacking this man, when it was entirely possible that he COULD have changed his name, or was misquoted.

Authentiseals responded to an inquiry that they would not add his name to the Wall of Shame based on just a news article, for those specific reasons, and suggested that I do more research. I first emailed the author of the AP article, Elliott Minor, told him what I had learned, and asked him how he had determined Mr. Majied was indeed a SEAL. I also CC'd a reporter from Albany, NY who was credited at the end of the article, and who I assumed had contributed to the interview with Mr. Majied.

On Sunday evening, I realized a mistake in my thinking....the AP story was datelined Albany, Georgia, not Albany, New York, although it stated at the end that a reporter from Albany, NY had helped write it. Feeling astoundingly stupid, and embarrassed that I had been looking in the wrong location, I now found a phone listing for Ahmad Majied in fairly short order. It was late Sunday night, however, and I didn't want to call him at that hour. Now that I knew where he was from, though, a Google search located a newsletter from the Torpedoman's Association in which Mr. Majied is listed as a new member in the November 2003 issue. It also gave a rank (MACM - E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer) and the years 1963-1966, when he was presumably on the USS Diodon.

This morning, I perused this USS Diodon web site again and found a brand new post in their Guest Book listing the URL of a message board thread on Freerepublic.com, which asked the same questions I had of Mr. Majied's authenticity. Ah-hah! I was stunned when I found more than 400 entries in this message thread....including one (#180) that outlined what I had been hoping to do...talk to Mr. Majied. It was stamped Sunday the 12th at 2:05 PM PDT by "elfman":

Okay, I took the “outrageous” step of calling Ahmad Majied. He was there. Sounded like a nice old guy.

I explained that I read a story from AP that quoted him. He acknowledged it right away. I said that I followed an internet discussion group that was questioning his membership in the Seals, that there was an organization that kept records of that kind of thing and that there was no record of his membership, and some speculated that he had a name change since them.

He said that he did have a name change since then, but was not willing to get involved. I tried to talk him into giving me his former name, but he was unwilling.

I asked specifically if he was a Seal and he said, “yes”. I asked if he went through Seal school, and his answer was in the affirmative, but vague. I mentioned that people were suggesting that he wasn’t a Seal, and brought up the “wall of shame” of people pretending to be Seals. He said, “I seriously doubt that I’ll be up on that.” He said he wasn’t worried about that.

He kept a good humor about him, but wanted to end the call. I mentioned that some people were saying that it was not possible to spend 5 years as a Seal in Vietnam. He said that he was misquoted there, that he did spend five years there, but not back to back. He said that “In fact, I spent more than five years total there”. I said, “but not all 5 years as a Seal?” He laughed and said, “No, not all 5 years.”

He said that he was a retired Master Chief Petty Officer.

He repeated several times that he didn’t want to get involved in this dispute “for obvious reasons”. And then he said, “I don’t know how I allowed myself to be quoted” or pulled into this by the guy that contacted him.

He really wanted out. I had to have mercy on him and let him go. I told him that because of the story others would call. He laughed and said he knows how to end a conversation. We said goodbye.

I was thrilled. Elfman had asked a lot of the same questions I had wanted to, and if there was ever any need for an example of the power of the Internet in gathering like minds and effort together, this was it. Reading the rest of the posts, I found a great deal of useful information about SEALs in Vietnam, the Navy's ratings system, and other items of interest for someone researching this situation. The Internet has made fact-checking tremendously easy, and I was very much humbled that not only was I not the only one looking into this, but was actually quite a bit back on the learning curve.....the folks on that board are sharp, and on top of the news.

I sent another email, this time to Russ Bynum of the AP, who was also credited on the original story. At the same time, I called Mr. Majied to talk to him myself. As many later Freerepublic.com posters found when they did the same, I got Mr. Majied's answering machine. I left a message and asked if he could get back to me. To follow up my email to Russ Bynum, I called the Savannah, GA number for the AP and left a message on his voicemail, essentially asking him to read my email and respond with any information he could help with.

This afternoon, I received emails back from both Russ Bynum and Elliott Minor. Both were helpful and professional about the matter. Because I haven't heard back from either of them at the time of writing this, I don't feel I can honestly quote either's email. But after responding to them, I decided to give Mr. Majied another call. At about 6:05 PM ET, he answered.

We spoke for about 10 minutes, and like Elfman, I got the feeling he was a 'nice old guy.' He said that he wished he never gave the interview for the story; "The worst thing I could have done was make the comments." He's received many, many phone calls about it, and expressed a strong desire for them to end. I told him that I wanted to try to help them end, and what would be useful towards that would be more information about his service record. He told me that he retired in 1988 after 30 years in the Navy as a Master Chief Petty Officer. I asked him if he was a US Navy SEAL. He said no, but that he worked with SEALs. I was floored, and asked him to repeat what he said. He said it again....he was not a SEAL, but worked with them. I asked him if he had ever completed BUD/S. He said no; he was not trained as a SEAL. When I asked in what capacity he worked with the SEALs, he told me that he served as part of an amphibious ready group. While friendly, he obviously didn't want to have a long conversation with me, so since I had heard the most important information already, I thanked him for his time and asked if it would be OK to relay our conversation on my site, and direct people to it in order to get the story out about his background. His response was "That would be fine."

And so you have it.......

Now, what to make of the whole thing? The first lesson to me is that reading the news has become, with the aid of the Internet, an act that requires active participation. There's no excuse to be a passive reader or listener anymore....the blogosphere, search engines, and online communities have made the talent pool of ideas open to all, and easy to access. While this particular news item is hardly the story of the century, it's amazing to me that in under 24 hours from the time the story made the AP Wire, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of people looking it over, and finding items that were curious. Pre-Internet, these notions would likely have languished and amounted to nothing. Today, it's possible to check even the most obscure story without leaving your chair or changing out of pajamas. If the printing press, telegraph, radio, television, cable, or satellite broadened the reach of the mass media, the blogosphere and the Internet are making it deeper and more responsible to the end users, if they choose to use the technology available to them.

The second lesson is that it's hard to get away with falsehoods today. I don't pretend to know the true story of Mr. Majied's military service, but I do know this....without the Internet, I would never have spoken with him. Groups like Authentiseals have given even the most elite military unit a publicly-accessible outlet to self-regulate their crowd of alumni, and boards like FreeRepublic have allowed like minds to strategize, look at stories, and decide courses of action. It's no wonder that many oppressive regimes curtail the Internet....knowledge is power, but unbridled knowledge is next to useless. The Internet allows knowledge-seekers to congregate and correct falsehoods, as even CBS News seems to be discovering. There is still a great distance to go in correcting falsehoods once aired by the mainstream media, however, as even the blogosphere as a collective may have a hard time reaching out to masses who watch or read a mainstream media outlet and little else.

A third lesson is that we all need to be careful with information. Humans are human. Was the mistake in the AP article the fault of the reporter, the source, or a miscommunication? It could be any of the above, or any combination. Because hindsight is always 20-20, it's easy to rush to assume motives that may or may not have been there in the beginning. In a quest to know everything, we may forget that no one actually does.

I'm against the idea of investigating Mr. Majied further, and do not plan to, personally. Without knowing his real name, there's little value or likely end result in debating what he may or may not have done during his Navy service, although hopefully now we can lay his news quote about being a Navy SEAL to rest.

From the information discovered on the FreeRepublic message boards, he seems to be a leader in the Albany, GA community, and no community can afford to lose any civic leader who is dedicated to improving his region, if that's what he's done. That said, there are consequences for words and actions, and if Mr. Majied has misled people for years about his experience as a Navy SEAL, there should be shame in stealing the collective honor of actual SEALs who have lived, fought, and died for this nation. Judging from his comments to me, there seems to be no shortage of people calling to remind him that claims of being a SEAL come with a burden of responsibility. I hope all parties involved know their own limits, and their own responsibilities, in this situation.

"With a too big media in bed with a too big government, the Internet becomes an equalizer."

Jim, will we have to call you Jim Rob the Equalizer!?

Not verifying or obtaining this so called verteran's Form DD 214 just demonstrates the fundamental laziness of the modern media.

This military service information is relatively straightforward to verify and obtain. Most "real" veterans have possession of the original and copies of their Form DD214 (given to veteran at the time of separation) which quantifies and categorizes their military service and activities. This is a very important document for a variety of purposes.

If you wish to verify service .... then have the veteran supply their Form DD 214 .... if they do not possess one ... then have them formally request one www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/military_records_faqs.html.

Using an audit methodology the veteran could request and authorize the independent government\military center in St. Louis MO to send the veteran a copy and also send a copy directly to the media entity attempting to verify this veterans information.