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AP stands by its story about anti-Bush SEAL (Freeper Travis McGee mentioned)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/13/04

Posted on 09/13/2004 1:43:11 PM PDT by ambrose

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To: humblegunner

Was that before or after Al invented the internet??


221 posted on 09/13/2004 6:35:43 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide; nicmarlo
He didn't make a claim. He offered an opinion.

He claimed he was a SEAL to the ignorant little AP "reporter".

Stop acting like a know-it-all newbie. I know you would have been offended when we were digging up M. Larry Lawrence, back in '97. Now that was a good time! :-)

I don't care if they like us - just that they fear us.

222 posted on 09/13/2004 7:02:36 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Read John Kerry's new book: Mein Kampuchea)
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To: Eaker; Travis McGee
"One of the biggest honor that I can point to in my life."

And justly so, pard!

223 posted on 09/13/2004 7:13:28 PM PDT by TexasCowboy
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To: TexasCowboy; Travis McGee; Squantos; GlocksRock; patton; humblegunner; Flyer; TheMom; Joe Brower; ..
"One of the biggest honor that I can point to in my life."

And justly so, pard!

TC,

I count those pinged as friends too. I know I have missed some, I hope I have missed more than I know.

It is nice to be home.

224 posted on 09/13/2004 7:26:32 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Eaker
Dang, everybody is gettin' famous around here.

I feel sorta left out. LOL.

225 posted on 09/13/2004 7:29:51 PM PDT by patton (Die Frau haette sich keine Sorgen dabai, aber meine Freundin wuerde mich sofort um die Ecke bringen!)
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To: Eaker
Stop it ....drop and give me 20 for gettin all emotional !........yer drinking that Vat69 crap again ain't ya ........:o)

Stay safe !

We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

226 posted on 09/13/2004 7:32:04 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: patton
Quit yer bitchin....yer pic is above mine on the post office wall ! Whaaa Whaaa Whaaaa !.........:o)...

Stay safe !

227 posted on 09/13/2004 7:33:44 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Travis McGee

damn....I gotta keep up...lol

what the hell is Abdul's real name?....that shouldn't be too hard....he has given his real name and locale from now.

if he was the real deal, that would have been forthcoming.


228 posted on 09/13/2004 7:58:13 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Eaker; Travis McGee
he not only has a laid back voice

he has an earnest young sounding voice to me and it plays well on radio.

229 posted on 09/13/2004 8:00:36 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: ambrose

I found the name change record. Can someone who has been in contact with Authentiseal contact me with a private message?

Thanks.


230 posted on 09/13/2004 8:03:30 PM PDT by edfrank_1998
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To: Travis McGee; edfrank_1998
edfrank_1998: I found the name change record. Can someone who has been in contact with Authentiseal contact me [edfrank_1998] with a private message?

ping to you, Travis.

231 posted on 09/13/2004 8:15:17 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Read John Kerry's new book: Mein Kampuchea)
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To: edfrank_1998; Travis McGee

very kewl, edfrank....hope you're on to something big!


232 posted on 09/13/2004 8:16:50 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: an amused spectator

I went ahead and filed a report with Authentiseal.com. I will, of course, keep you all informed of any results.


233 posted on 09/13/2004 8:24:09 PM PDT by edfrank_1998
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To: an amused spectator; UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
He claimed he was a SEAL to the ignorant little AP reporter".

That was partly my point. The only reason this guy's "opinion" (albeit negative) was solicited was because he claims to have been a Navy Seal.....however, the AP did not follow what I would consider to be journalistic protocol.....I posted some info on another thread with a link to Jouralism.org and their stated principles, which I will repost, in part, on this thread. Obviously, as you well know, unbelieving scum, the bulk of my criticism was against the AP reporter and the AP for allowing its reporters to behave in the manner which it does....I believe it was the AP that, just last week, was caught in another lie, manufactured boos against Clinton when Bush announced Clinton's hospitalization.

From Journalism.org
http://www.journalism.org/resources/guidelines/principles/purpose.asp

The central purpose of journalism is to provide citizens with accurate and reliable information they need to function in a free society.

1. Journalism's first obligation is to the truth

Democracy depends on citizens having reliable, accurate facts put in a meaningful context. Journalism does not pursue truth in an absolute or philosophical sense, but it can--and must--pursue it in a practical sense.....

2. Its first loyalty is to citizens.

3. Its essence is a discipline of verification.

Journalists rely on a professional discipline for verifying information. When the concept of objectivity originally evolved, it did not imply that journalists are free of bias. It called, rather, for a consistent method of testing information--a transparent approach to evidence--precisely so that personal and cultural biases would not undermine the accuracy of their work. The method is objective, not the journalist. Seeking out multiple witnesses, disclosing as much as possible about sources, or asking various sides for comment, all signal such standards. This discipline of verification is what separates journalism from other modes of communication, such as propaganda, fiction or entertainment...........


234 posted on 09/13/2004 8:26:27 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ambrose; Travis McGee
"...they're just nice people. … I just really think a lot of him."

Translation: he was the the first and only one to repeat back to me everything I told him to say.

The definition of MSM "journalism" is to find someone who parrots their personal agenda. That makes the "interviewee" an unquestionable expert in their mind.

Great work Travis! You smoked those guys...but good!

235 posted on 09/13/2004 8:28:17 PM PDT by NewLand (Stop watching ALL network TV if you want to STOP liberals.)
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To: ambrose
Minor says Majied homeschools his seven children. "These are really upstanding people," he told WND.

Minor added "And those seven cute little outfits with the dynamite belts were really something to behold!" /sarcasm off

236 posted on 09/13/2004 8:47:03 PM PDT by Col Freeper
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To: nicmarlo

I appreciate your emphasis on verification. But refering to a previous line:

Democracy depends on citizens having reliable, accurate facts put in a meaningful context. Journalism does not pursue truth in an absolute or philosophical sense, but it can--and must--pursue it in a practical sense.....

Is it practical to do a full background check on everyone who offers an opinion on their pick for president? As Rush says, you are the world's foremost expert on your own opinion. Whether he was a SEAL or not doesn't change that although it may give a boost to the value of this guy's opinion in some minds. The article didn't even mention that he had reached the highest enlisted rank in the service in the law enforcement specialty, according to the roster of a veterans' organization. That was turned up fairly early and I think entitles him to some deference and credibility.

My problem is dragging this guy's name through the mud through 800 posts in two threads BEFORE GETTING THE PROOF THAT HE LIED. Until then these threads are just so much libel.

If it turns out he was not a SEAL, that does not make me wrong, only careful. But if he was one, and it looks like we will know tomorrow, a lot of people have done a lot of damage and I doubt we will see apologies from most of them or from FR administration whom I asked to stop this witch hunt.


237 posted on 09/13/2004 8:54:01 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Your post is, again, pointing to the issue. Had the reporter authenticated that the guy was a Navy Seal, then this would not be going into two threads. And if the sole reason why a reporter is printing the opinion of a NAVY SEAL is because he claims to be a Navy Seal, then authenticate that he, indeed, is/was a member of the Navy Seals. We don't need to have any other verifications on this guy but that CENTRAL ISSUE. Really, it's not that difficult....but, according to you, just because the reporter BELIEVES that the guy's a Navy Seal should satisfy, because, it's not "practical to do a full background check" on the person who makes this claim. That's absurd.
238 posted on 09/13/2004 9:08:37 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Grampa Dave
"Their arrogance will be the end of their power in the new information age. "

This is where the battle will be played out. . .is being played out; and hence the 'no holds barred' desperation measures this media is no longer even ashamed of and even tries to hide.

Their imagined moral and intellectual superiority they believe is sufficient to justify their violations of truth and integrity.

The Liberal media arrogance has always been their power; I hope and pray; it dooms them.

239 posted on 09/13/2004 9:46:42 PM PDT by cricket (Don't lose your head. . vote Republican. . .)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide; Squantos; Eaker
This is a waste of time, I don't know why I'm bothering. But if a national new organization releases a "news story" to 100s of papers, who run it, that comes with some responsibilities. Such as verification of the man's alleged bona fides in a story where the man's alleged bona fides are the only reason to quote him. AP failed to do this originally, and again after prompting from WND. As far as the fake SEAL, he has now admitted to a freeper on the other thread that he was never a SEAL. So there. Now his "fallback lie" is that he "worked with SEALs." As what? Their cook? Driver? I'll bet he never put a foot in Viet Nam, just like Kerry's old Winter Soldiers partner Al Hubbard.
240 posted on 09/13/2004 9:49:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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