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AP stands by its story about anti-Bush SEAL (Freeper Travis McGee mentioned)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/13/04

Posted on 09/13/2004 1:43:11 PM PDT by ambrose

about anti-Bush SEAL

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Monday, September 13, 2004



ELECTION 2004
AP stands by its story
about anti-Bush SEAL

Man with Muslim name doesn't come up on search of elite sailors


Posted: September 13, 2004
4:06 p.m. Eastern

By Ron Strom


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

An Associated Press reporter is standing by his story that describes an anti-Bush veteran as a former Navy SEAL in the face of questions about whether or not the man was in fact a member of the elite unit.

The reporter, Elliott Minor says the Albany, Ga., man, Ahmad Majied, doesn't show up on lists of former SEALs because he changed his name when he converted to Islam after leaving the Navy.

In a story reporting the reactions of U.S. military personnel and veterans to allegations that President Bush failed to perform to National Guard standards, Minor quotes several current and former military men. Here is an excerpt from the AP story:

Ahmad Majied of Albany says the latest allegations about Bush's military record are more troubling to him than allegations about service honors leveled at Democratic challenger Kerry.

Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years.

"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."

After reading the account, Travis McGee, a poster on FreeRepublic.com, contacted an organization called AuthentiSEAL, which researches claims by people posing as Navy SEALs, to see if Majied indeed had been a SEAL. According to his post, McGee received a response from Gregory Platt, an investigator with the group, saying the name Ahmad Majied does not come up on a search of former SEALs.

McGee says he became suspicious of the claim when he read that Majied had been in Vietnam for five years.

"When this fake SEAL's claim of spending five years in Vietnam was pointed out to me, I knew he couldn't be for real," he writes at Free Republic. "SEALs deployed to VN for six month tours, so 'five years in Vietnam' seemed highly improbable. I knew lots of multiple tour 'real deal Vietnam SEALs' during my peacetime duty in the teams in the 1980s, and I never heard of this guy.

"This only took a couple of minutes time for 'amateurs' on Free Republic to check out. The 'professional' journalists at the AP must have been to busy to do this basic checking."

In an interview with WorldNetDaily, however, Minor says he has no reason to disbelieve Majied's story.

"I really trust this guy," he said. "I believe he's a real straight shooter."

Minor says Majied didn't give him his previous name, "and I didn't press the matter."

The vet has received "nasty calls" since the issue has been publiclized, Minor says, adding, "This is a very peaceful guy. … There's a peace about his voice."

Minor says Majied homeschools his seven children. "These are really upstanding people," he told WND.

The AP reporter addressed McGee's criticism of spending five months in Vietnam, saying Majied told him he was based in the Philippines and would go to Vietnam for short stints and then return to the islands.

"Altogether it was probably five years [in Vietnam]," Minor said.

Minor spoke to Majied this afternoon to try to verify the issue, and he said the veteran has refused to speak to other media about the issue.

He said of the Majieds: "I've met them around town, and they're just nice people. … I just really think a lot of him."

Internet bloggers challenging the claims of mainstream media outlets has become more prevalent recently. It was on the Net where the first questions were raised about National Guard memos CBS News claims show that Bush's former commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, was resisting pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, to "sugarcoat" Bush's officer evaluation files.

Document experts and amateur sleuths began questioning the memos' authenticity within hours after they were published on the Internet, citing typographical and formatting issues that suggest they were created by a modern-day word processor rather than a Vietnam War-era typewriter.

Despite the irregularities of the memos and the fact that a source CBS used to prove its case is saying the documents are forgeries, network anchor Dan Rather stands by the story he presented on "60 Minutes II" last week.

Related stories:

Bush Guard papers forged, says source

Rather backs docs on Evening News

Ben Barnes' daughter: Father lied about Bush

CBS News denies Bush docs forged


Ron Strom is a news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.



TOPICS: Free Republic; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ahmadmajied; ap; associatedpress; congrats; elliottminor; fakeseal; fakeseals; majied; medialies; mediots; minor; poorjournalism; seal; seals
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To: ambrose; Criminal Number 18F
Minor spoke to Majied this afternoon to try to verify the issue, and he said the veteran has refused to speak to other media about the issue.

No wonder.

I really don't care how "upstanding" and "nice" this guy is----if he went on the record with a major news organization (AP) and made a statement, he made himself a part of the campaign story.

141 posted on 09/13/2004 2:45:53 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Travis McGee
I meant to type:

There were and are outstanding African-American Navy UDT frogmen and SEALs going way back. Outstanding.

142 posted on 09/13/2004 2:46:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Seems like it would narrow down the field quite a bit. Blacks are around 10% of the population and that would cut the 260 possible SEALs down to 26 or less. That's a pretty elite group. Add to that the ship he was on and you have an even smaller group.


143 posted on 09/13/2004 2:48:00 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: wideawake
You are on the money. But, "[t}he 'Seems like a nice guy over the phone' Rule" has a critical second part:

"As long as you are polite to a reporter on the phone," and you're bashing the US military, President Bush or the US in general then "everything you say is true and there is no need to check your sources."
144 posted on 09/13/2004 2:49:28 PM PDT by drpix
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To: ambrose
The reporter, Elliott Minor says the Albany, Ga., man, Ahmad Majied, doesn't show up on lists of former SEALs because he changed his name when he converted to Islam after leaving the Navy.

And his real name is ?? If he refuses to say it, refuse to believe the source.

145 posted on 09/13/2004 2:50:16 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Mystic

How many guys by that name who served in the navy can their be in Albany, GA?


146 posted on 09/13/2004 2:54:32 PM PDT by sharktrager (Nobody deserves our hostility when they are in a time of need.)
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To: ambrose; Travis McGee

If I were to put forth into print, claims against others by an alleged Navy Seal, you can bet I'd PRESS THE ISSUE by asking for the name under which he was Navy Seal.

Even a bank won't take your word for it whomever you "claim to be" when you want to open an account....much less withdraw funds.

I'd think a JOURNALIST, especially writing a defamatory piece and whose reputation, therefore, is at stake (if that's of any concern, of course), would DEMAND PROOF & CREDENTIALS, etc., JUST LIKE A BANK.


147 posted on 09/13/2004 2:54:57 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ambrose; ThomasMore

Ping!

Have fun following this one, Cuz!


148 posted on 09/13/2004 2:55:00 PM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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To: Travis McGee

I guess I'd be more interested in hearing how this reporter and the sidewalk commando hooked up in the first place.

Makes a fellow curious about what kind of chum is being spread to attract the wannabees to hit the surface lures.


149 posted on 09/13/2004 2:55:44 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Less carrot, more STICK!)
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To: MizSterious
Hah! Good for you! Maybe you should send them this one as well!

OK, it’s on the way.

Anyone else wishing to contact AP: info@ap.org

150 posted on 09/13/2004 2:56:17 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Packer Pete
"Apparently, journalists have no capacity for learning from the mistakes of each other...perhaps that ability was purged from them in college."

You know it is amazing. . .you would think after Jayson Blair. . .that ANYone so inclined. . .but no. . .they keep doing the same. Think perhaps their greatest mental block is caused by their 'college learned'- in many cases - Leftist education.

This orientation creates it's own, built in; albeit, false - intellectual and moral superiority; with a compensating arrogance that just protects these 'victims', from the realities and values that shape and inhibit their peers.

A truth that motivates others - be it politicians or. . .journalists, is by the very root of 'Leftist idiology'; absent.

'Leftism' does not encourage an appreciation of Truth; but rather the appreciation of the 'utilitarian' - whatever means to an end modus operandi - it takes; to serve the collective cause is what has value. The 'value' served; is the superior 'many' over the 'one'. The moral superiority of the group over the lesser individual. That's it!

These people are hopelessly hooked; and so, they cannot learn from their mistakes; and will not; until they are ready to appreciate the fallacy of their belief system and embrace a genuine Truth.

151 posted on 09/13/2004 2:57:31 PM PDT by cricket (Don't lose your head. . vote Republican. . .)
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To: mabelkitty
No way to check. We'd need an alumni of the university.

I'm curious...can't the guys at the Seal web sites confirm if there was any black seal who served 30 years, retired and also had 5 years in the Philippines with regular missions in Viet Nam?

I would imagine that that would stand out somewhat even among the Seal community.
152 posted on 09/13/2004 2:58:47 PM PDT by sharktrager (Nobody deserves our hostility when they are in a time of need.)
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To: Travis McGee

Old Ahmad Majied is probably a lot closer to being an Iman Black Muslim al Fuqar instigator than being a former Navy Seal.


153 posted on 09/13/2004 3:00:34 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: ambrose
In an interview with WorldNetDaily, however, Minor says he has no reason to disbelieve Majied's story.

"I really trust this guy," he said. "I believe he's a real straight shooter."

Straight from the Dan Rather School of Journalism.

154 posted on 09/13/2004 3:01:24 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: rit

Any chance that a freeper in Albany can check this out?


155 posted on 09/13/2004 3:02:03 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Dan Rather's GOTCHA got him.)
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To: colorado tanker
AP backs the story even though they don't know this guy's name because the reporter "trusts" him after a phone interview??? I guess AP doesn't care how stupid it looks.

Gosh, with that great documentation and investigative work, it's a wonder they ever get in trouble. < /sarcasm >

156 posted on 09/13/2004 3:04:20 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Hugin
Straight from the Dan Rather School of Journalism.

Don't be so jaded. Didn't you see that the reporter said he had a "peace" about him?

157 posted on 09/13/2004 3:05:42 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: ambrose

I wonder if this intrepid urinalist could tell us the number of the SEAL team that this man was supposedly in.


158 posted on 09/13/2004 3:08:48 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Plutarch

Your child's Weekly Reader. Harmless little newspaper for young minds, right? Begin reading it for real. I did last year and while most of it is innocent enough - I began seeing a slant that I really didn't want to see. Take a look at this http://weeklyreader.com/election/issues.asp
Talking points right out of DNC in comparing the two candidates
JMHO


159 posted on 09/13/2004 3:09:27 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: colorado tanker
AP backs the story even though they don't know this guy's name because the reporter "trusts" him after a phone interview???

I have even money right now that this guy was not only NOT a SEAL, but was never even in Vietnam.

BTW. He home-schools 7 kids? His own kids? Seven of them still in school even though the guy would have to be in his mid 50s at the minimum to have spent as much time in Nam as he claims. Maybe a Tom Cat, instead of a Seal. If the AP hack won't ask the guy for his name on his service records, I guess he doesn't have the guts to ask him how the hell old he is either.

160 posted on 09/13/2004 3:14:06 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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