Posted on 09/12/2004 12:33:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee
Authentic or not, Bush memos no big deal to retired guardsmen
U.S. Servicemen React to Bush Guard Memos (spreading the lie)
Allegations of suspect conduct during the Vietnam war also have been leveled at John Kerry, who won three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star in Vietnam.
A group sponsoring television ads challenging his wartime record contends Kerry's own gunfire caused the wound that brought his first Purple Heart. Navy records and other veterans do not support the charge.
Ahmad Majied of Albany (GA) says the latest allegations about Bush's military record are more troubling to him than allegations about service honors leveled at Democratic challenger Kerry.
Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years.
"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."
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So Criminal Number 18F checked him out. Here's the reply from "authentiseal."
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Official Reply
NOT A SEAL
Thanks for checking with us - we greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. If the name you provided was "spelled accurately", we do NOT have a listing for anyone named "Majied" in our entire database of slightly more than 10,000 names. Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a full legal name change since his claimed service with the SEAL Teams, I can state conclusively that the man NEVER completed SEAL training, and thus he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL. While there are other training steps that must be completed on the path to becoming a SEAL, BUD/S training is the first and most vital, and that training course is totally unclassified. Without having first completed BUD/S training, a man cannot go on to become a SEAL. There are definitely secret SEAL missions, but despite anything the man might have said, there are NO secret SEALs. If you choose to confront the man regarding his fraudulent SEAL claims, please show him this email message and invite him to contact me - a real SEAL - directly by email with information that will support his claims. I'd enjoy hearing his stories first hand, but I've extended this offer to literally thousands of individuals over the last three years, and in all that time I've received only a scant handful of replies, so I don't really expect to hear from him either.
Again, please visit our web page www.authentiseal.org/realitycheck.htm for some very specific information related to the realities of SEAL training, SEAL duties, and the claims most often made by SEAL imposters.
Thank you again for your assistance in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams.
Respectfully, Gregory Platt
UDT/SEAL 1970-1974
SEAL Authentication Team - Investigator
"The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs"
Actually, not only large ships would have them - I was on a ship in the late 80s, early 90s, that had two Senior Chief Petty Officers, plus a Master Chief... We were a small ship - well less than 100 guys.
Thank you for your answer. Mr. Rogers was a gentle soul who, I am sure, is remembered warmly by many of us. Military or not, he was a hero.
Well, we were a dive platform, so our Chiefs were almost all Divers - one was a Hull Tech, the other Senior Chief was an OS, but I don't recall what rate the MC was... but he was also a Diver - a Master Diver, I believe, for what that's worth. So, he must have been in one of the Source Rates for Divers. Not sure if MAA is one.
As an observer, I would say FReepers are on the crest of the new wave and Drudge is playing catch-up.
I think so too.
He is entitled to his political opinions no matter how wrongheaded they may be. That's part of living in a democracy.
As for whether or not he was a SEAL, I just don't see a MACM, by definition a responsible individual, making up stories about past exploits. A MACM's honesty, not his dishonesty, should be the default assumption.
... In 1943, the Navy created the Naval Combat Demolition Units (NCDUs). These units were manned by hand picked sailors and Marine Raiders who were in peak physical condition, showed outstanding courage and demonstrated unique resourcefulness. Later the Scout and Raider units of the Atlantic and the NCDUs of the Pacific were consolidated into one outfit, the Underwater Demolition Teams (UDTs) affectionately known as "Frogmen." ...
In 1962, President John Kennedy ordered the United States military to begin the formation and training of units specialized in unconventional warfare. The Army formed the Green Berets and the Navy formed SEAL Teams One and Two.These new units were formed entirely from the current UDTs. The SEALS began intensive training in counter-guerilla warfare, long distance reconnaissance, supply interdiction and raids.In concert with the Navy Special Boats Units, the SEALS conducted numerous types of river patrols all along the Mekong Delta and countless rivers, streams and tributaries of South Vietnam.
In the interest of full disclosure I must add the following sentence from this web site: During Vietnam, 3 SEALS were awarded the Medal of Honor, including Senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska.
Earlier in the thread a link was posted to a newsletter published by a Navy retirees association. In the newsletter Ahmed was listed as a MACM. The publishers of the newsletter have a vested interest in knowing who the new inductees to their organization are. Also, it's quite a stretch to believe that Ahmed would lie about his rank to get into a retirees association. What would be the point? As you know very well, in the military it's very much a part of the culture for everyone to know everyone else's rank. For all practical purposes it is impossible to carry off a fraud about rank among fellow soldiers or sailors.
The SEAL story could possibly be fraudulent, but given this guy's history as a responsible individual (MACM, Imam (preacher) at a mosque), I think it's wise, at least until his birth name is uncovered, to give him the benefit of the doubt.
First off, claiming to be a SEAL seems to be a common malady of wannabe Sargeant Von Muenchausens. There's a lot of glamour to it.
The reason this Elliott Minor AP story was interesting is that he was a SEAL, ergo supplying glamour to his anti-Bush position.
It's quite true that without his real name, it'll be difficult to verify whether he was a SEAL. But...not impossible.
I don't think he needs to "talk"--he's said enough for us to find out if he's telling the truth, if truth is pursued. If you mean he should not be harassed, you make a good point.
Given the number of lies the MSM has piled on our side, I don't worry that much about what our "enemies" might say. They'll say it, anyway.
Wasn't the G Man a SEAL, or else his son? Maybe G Gordon Liddy would like to find out what Elliott Minor knew, and when he knew it.
Two words: Stolen Valor
In fairness I should have said "alleged". Other than that, you really don't get the it, do you? The burden of proof is on him.
jwalsh07 post this in the previous thread:
"Here he is in a listing of shipmates with ratings. I'm not a Navy guy but you are. What does MACM stand for?"
http://diodon349.com/Torpedoman/TMA_newsletter/TMA_Newsletter_Nov2003.pdf
I tried contacting the web site by leaving a note in the guest book, but didn't hear back.
http://diodon349.com/
The guy is listed as a shipmate in '63-67 with his Moslem name. I want to know if he was using the Moslem name at the time, he supposedly served on this ship. If he was, then he was using the same name earlier than the time he claims to have been a Navy Seal in Vietnam. Unless he's saying he used the same name in '63-67, changed it to be a Navy Seal in the late 60's, early 70's and then changed it again to the same name he used in '63.
Maybe you would have more luck than I did. I haven't had the time to check it out. It's obvious the site is very patriotic and I think they would be interested in helping us, if we located the right person.
Another thought is to contact some of the other shipmates that served at the same time this guy did.
Nice catch! His son is a SEAL officer! Nice, let's forward these threads to Liddy!!!
Thanks!
"I did 150 heart transplant operations, (under my former name, which I will not tell you.)"
Now, should the AP use me as a reputable source on medical reform, based on what I have just written alone?
They will, if a fake SEAL slams Bush.
The fake SEAL is a LIAR, which is why we're slamming him.
He's STEALING THE VALOR of the real VN SEALs.
If you choose to ignore this, and believe a liar, so be it.
PT Barnum was right.
Good point about the name-change time line!
Hugh Hewitt has been talking a lot about the fake memos on his show. He's probably been one of the most active talk show hosts on the memos.
He would be another guy that would take an interest in this. Another story that the press runs but won't take the time to check out.
Tonight he carried excerpts from John Kerry's old speeches on VietNam.
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