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Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong)
www.freerepublic.com | September 10, 2004

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:38 PM PDT by Howlin

Edited on 09/10/2004 4:53:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Have at it.

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'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'
Fri Sep 10 2004 19:03:11 ET

The biggest challenges to the authenticity of the documents featured in the 60 MINUTES segment on President Bush's Texas National Guard service are answered in a report to be broadcast on the CBS EVENING NEWS tonight (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The report states that the type style, typewriter and the superscript function critics claim did not exist at the time the memos from President Bush's former Texas National Guard commander were typed were indeed all available. In fact, similar raised "th" superscripts have been found on other National Guard documents the White House has released from the president's file.

Furthermore, Marcel Mately, the document and handwriting expert used to authenticate the documents for CBS News and 60 MINUTES, asserts that copies of the memos critics are examining have been degraded by reproduction though photocopying, computer scanning and faxing and are not reliable representations of the memos.

A transcript is attached:

BUSH DOCUMENTS

EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER

9-10-04

Rather Lead In: There were attacks today on the CBS News "60 Minutes" report this week raising new questions about President Bush's Vietnam-era time in the Texas Air National Guard. The questions raised by our report include:

--Did a wealthy Texas oilman-friend of the Bush family use his influence with the speaker of the Texas House of Representatives .. to get George W. Bush a coveted slot in the National Guard .. keeping him out of the draft and any probable service IN Vietnam?

--Did Lieutenant Bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer?

--Was Lieutenant. Bush suspended for failure to perform up to standards?

--Did Lieutenant Bush ever take a physical he was required and ordered to take? If not, why not?

--And did Lieutenant Bush, in fact, complete his commitment to the Guard?

These questions grew out of new witnesses and new evidence -- including documents written by Lieutenant Bush's squadron commander.

Today, on the internet and elsewhere, some people -- including many who are partisan political operatives -- concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story.

They alleged the documents are FAKE.

Rather: MANY OF THOSE RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CBS DOCUMENTS HAVE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING CALLED SUPERSCRIPT... A KEY THAT AUTOMATICALLY TYPES A RAISED "TH". CRITICS CLAIM TYPEWRITERS DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THE 70S. BUT SOME MODELS DID....IN FACT, OTHER BUSH MILITARY RECORDS ALREADY OFFICIALLY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF SHOW THE SAME SUPERSCRIPT.

HERE'S ONE..... FROM 1968.

SOME ANALYSTS OUTSIDE CBS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE TYPEFACE ON THESE MEMOS IS NEW TIMES ROMAN.... WHICH THEY CLAIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE 1970S.

BUT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT DISTRIBUTES THIS TYPING STYLE.... SAYS IT HAS BEEN AVAILABE SINCE 1931. DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY ANALYZED THE DOCUMENTS FOR CBS NEWS.

HE SAYS HE BELIEVES THEY ARE REAL...BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING EXAMINED BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE QUESTIONING THE DOCUMENTS....BECAUSE DETIORATION OCCURS EACH TIME A DOCUMENT IS REPRODUCED.....AND THE DOCUMENTS BEING ANALYZED OUTSIDE OF CBS HAVEBEEN PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, SCANNED AND DOWNLOADED.... AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH WHICH WERE ALSO PHOTOCOPIES.

DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY DID THIS INTERVIEW WITH US PRIOR TO THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST.

HE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE SIGNATURES OF COLONEL JERRY KILLIAN.... COMPARING KNOWN DOCUMENTS WITH THE COLONEL'S SIGNATURE ON THE NEWSLY DISCOVERED ONES.

Matley: "WE LOOK BASICALLY AT WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE SAME PERSON OR NOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING THEM.

I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE HANDWRITING EVIDENCE, YES. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON."

Rather: MATLEY FINDS THE SIGNAT'URES TO BE SOME OF THE MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE...WE TALKED TO HIM AGAIN TODAY BY SATELLITE.

Matley "SINCE IT IS REPRESENTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY HIS... THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THEY ARE HIS SIGNATURES."

Rather: "ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT QUESTIONS COME ABOUT THESE. WE'RE NOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE SURPRISED."

Matley: "I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY IT WAS FAR MORE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO ME PROFESSIONALLY THAN BENEFIT ME. AND I KNEW THAT. BUT WE SEEK THE TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOURSELF OUT. TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND TAKE WHAT COMES FROM IT."

Rather: ROBERT STRONG WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD DURING THE VIETNAM YEARS. HE KNEW COL. JERRY KILLIAN, THE MAN CREDITED WITH WRITING THE DOCUMENTS.... AND PAPER WORK... LIKE THESE DOCUMENTS...WAS HIS SPECIALTY. HE IS STANDING BY HIS JUDGEMENT THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE REAL.

Rather: "WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT THESE ARE GENUINE?"

Strong: "WELL,, THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE WAY BUSINESS WAS DONE AT THAT TIME. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAN THAT I REMEMBER JERRY KILLIAN BEING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S DISCORDANT WITH WHAT WERE THE TIMES, WHAT WERE THE SITUATION OR WHAT WERE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED."

Rather: STRONG SAYS THE HIGHLY CHARGED POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE OF THE GUARD AT THE TIME... WAS PERFECTLY REPRESENTED IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS

Strong: "IT VERGED ON OUTRIGHT CORRUPTION IN TERMS OF THE FAVORS THAT WERE DONE, THE POWER THAT WAS TRADED. AND IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE. FROM A MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDPOINT. IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE."

Rather: IT IS THE INFORMATION IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT IS MOST COMPELLING FOR PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORD IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. AUTHOR JIM MORE HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS ON THE SUBJECT.

Rather: "YOU'VE STUDIED PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORDS FOR 10 YEARS.. ARE THESE DOCUMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORD AS YOU KNOW IT?"

Moore: "THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORDS AS I KNOW IT."

Rather: "PUT IT IN CONTEXT AND PERSPECTIVE FOR US ... THE STORY AND WHAT WE CALL THE COUNTERATTACK ON THE STORY. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW?

Moore "I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS SOME INCRIMINATING DOCUMENTS HAVE COME OUT. THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU SHOULD REMEMBER, HAS NOT DISCREDITED THE DOCUMENTS. THEY'RE RELYING ON THE BLOGOSPHERE AND OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE PROBABLY KNOWS THESE DOCUMENTS ARE IN FACT REAL."

Rather Tag: The "60 Minutes" report was based NOT solely on the recovered documents .. but on a preponderance of evidence .. including documents that were provided by un-impeachable sources .. and interviews with former officials of the Texas National Guard. If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it.

So far, there is none.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas
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To: zlala

Marcel? That sounds French!!!


501 posted on 09/10/2004 3:49:58 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: SW6906
There's this neat new thing called time zones. The people seeing this are on the East Coast watching live...... ;o) 323 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:35 PM PDT by SW6906

I appreciate the smilie. But I can't believe they do a delay on a NEWS PROGRAM! If it's news at 6:30 in New York ... it's no longer news at 6:3o in LA. I hope you agree.

503 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:05 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: Petronski
Score one for the Vast Right-Wingding Conspiracy!

-PJ

504 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:06 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Calpernia

It's a hoax (note the date)
Pretty funny though
Indy-borg strikes again.


505 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:12 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: DarthVader
He knows his career is over and is in denial. Hannity is going to finish him off tonite and he knows it.

the radio interview with the son was pretty damning. if it's true, "negligence" on the part of CBS is not too strong a charge. It certainly is a form of journalistic malpractice. That is, if the profession has any standards of ethical conduct.

506 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:19 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

OMG, juan is totally unglued.........LOL


507 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:19 PM PDT by tioga
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To: jimbo123

NEWSFLASH - THE DONATION OF CONSTANTINE IS GENUINE, CBSNEWS REPORTS


508 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:21 PM PDT by geros
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To: Petronski

I wonder if Rather considers us partisan political operatives.. hah


509 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:26 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (CEO, VRWC: When you think treason, don't think Benedict Arnold - think JOHN FORGED KERRY!)
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To: zlala

Marcel Matley was also brought in by the liberal media to authenticate Vince Foster's suicide note and Kurt Kobain's suicide note. He is a homo, too.


510 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:27 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: BlessedBeGod

"JUAN SUCKS!!!
LOL, he's making me as mad as Dan!"

Juan is merely stupid (I think). Dan is evil. There IS a difference.


511 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:29 PM PDT by labard1
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To: FredZarguna
2) They got a handwriting guy who's an obvious partisan, who says he stands by the claim that the signature is legit, and he knew going in he'd be slimed.

Apples and oranges. You don't hire a handwriting expert to check a DOCUMENT'S authenticity.
512 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:29 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The bottom line is that nobody cares what Rather thinks or says. Time and Foxnews have passed you by, Kenneth.


513 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:29 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Howlin

It does not matter if the documents are fraudulent...?..They have witnesses to say they sound right?....


514 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:39 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: LisaFab

Is Juan really this dumb or is it an act? I see Jim is having trouble keeping from cracking up over Kerry and the weapons ban. Gotta love FOX.


515 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:39 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: Howlin
Juan's head is exploding..and what he's saying is EXACTLY what McAuliffe said today. Namely that Bush still hasn't answered the questions posed by these memos. (even with his head exploding, Juan remembers the daily talking points.)
516 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:40 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@This Is A Stand Off.com)
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To: baseballmom
I don't know who this Matlee is, But Larry Elder just had on one of the best forensic document experts in the country, and he said that he had been talking since yesterday to all the known doc experts in the country and no one knows who examined the CBS docs.

I wish I remembered that expert's name, sorry. But he said that though the font and the fact that Word reproduces the document exactly, the KILLER CLUE that the docs are forgeries is the spacing between the lines.

He said that even on the variable spacing typewriters avaible back then (though they were complicated and needed special training to use), the between line spacing was absolutely FIXED. It could be 13, 14, or 15 (I forget the unit of measurement) but NEVER a fraction of them. He did some kind of thing in his lab to reproduce on paper what he found in the PDF file and measured it, and the between-line spacing was indeed a fraction #.

517 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:41 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: savedbygrace

I urge bloggers to take up my new tagline as a rallying cry.


518 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:43 PM PDT by weegee (What's the provenance, Kenneth? Where did the forged SeeBS memo come from?)
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To: rintense

***You're not getting paid? I've been getting checks for years, ever since I started the Day in the Life threads.***

I KNEW IT! I just KNEW IT! And you're too cheap to buy a toaster. HMPHHH!


519 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:49 PM PDT by kitkat (George W. Bush, a PROVEN leader)
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To: baseballmom

Did anyone watch NBC or ABC to see what they were saying?


520 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:59 PM PDT by Maigrey (Kerry: Up-the-Mekong-without-a-paddle... - Mark Steyn)
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