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Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong)
www.freerepublic.com | September 10, 2004

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:38 PM PDT by Howlin

Edited on 09/10/2004 4:53:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Congressman Billybob
John:

Which specific laws has CBS broken?

Are these Federal communications laws, election laws, tampering w/military documents?

Where does the liability rest: producer, CEO, shareholders?

What is the probability anyone will be successfully sued?

Who would ideally bring the suit?

What is your opinion of the chances of any real economic repercussions to CBS and the other attendant tanked media?

In your opinion, how does this rank against Watergate and can this bring the media down as they brought a President down?

Thanx for sharing your expertise.
1,201 posted on 09/10/2004 6:54:19 PM PDT by reformedliberal (W stands for WINNER!)
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To: ken5050
Ironically, Dan Rather is putting up a "Hurricane Defense" on the forgery issue. His reasoning is this: Here's his reasoning -- I have brick walls and a steel roof. I am stronger than the pending storm. So I'll just hunker in the basement for the weekend, and by Monday everything will have blown over and the skies again will be blue.

There are two problems with that thinking. Rather is old; his walls and roof have grown weak. And this is a bigger storm than he's ever faced before. And the last factor is the Hawaiian wrinkle. He's in the house with some folks -- the owners of CBS -- who might throw Rather in the front yard to drown, if it looks like that sacrifice will make the Hurricane Gods go away.

Congressman Billybob

1,202 posted on 09/10/2004 6:54:30 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: MEG33
unlike a partisan blogger in his pajamas sitting in front of his computer at home

Hmm, so this guy is somehow able to see me when I do my Today Show posts?

1,203 posted on 09/10/2004 6:54:45 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Howlin

Liberal rule number 1. Divert and deny, deny, deny!!!


1,204 posted on 09/10/2004 6:55:50 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: MEG33
I'm bookmarking EVERYTHING! :-)

Yes,me too and my brain is just reeling...but I have a BIG smile on my face.:-)

1,205 posted on 09/10/2004 6:56:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mike Fieschko

We had a thread on the draft a few days ago. It seems the lottery began in 1969. The first drawing covered birthdays from about 1945 to 1950. The 2nd drawing covered 1951 birthdays. The 3rd drawing covered 1952 birthdays, in which my number was 300 and something. The final year of the draft was 1973 I think.


1,206 posted on 09/10/2004 6:57:05 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

..Look, just about 5 years ago, CNN admitted the "Tailwind" story was a hoax, then ended up paying the producer and reporter a few million each to just go away..Rather should hold out for $50 mill, easy..


1,207 posted on 09/10/2004 6:58:54 PM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I have just finished reading 1206 posts and I am now going to put my PAJAMAS on and go to bed.


1,208 posted on 09/10/2004 7:00:19 PM PDT by aloysius89 (Kerry lives in kuckuckwolkensheim. And so does Dan Rather.)
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To: My back yard

"I guess the distinction is that whomever it was that pulled the hoax used a 1972 typesetter and thought they could pull it off."

If so, they were indeed stupid, the chance that Killian would have used a typesetter in 72 is equivalent to the possibility that he had Mickey Spillane type the documents for him.


1,209 posted on 09/10/2004 7:01:25 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter

If you can, catch the rerun of the show later or tape it. The first part of the show was must see TV.


1,210 posted on 09/10/2004 7:01:31 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: FredZarguna

If he was born in 1946, then the 1969 draft would have included his year group because it was a broad year group -- about 1945 to 1950 (18.5 to 26 years old).

It was a moot point because he was already in service.


1,211 posted on 09/10/2004 7:02:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Doesn't George Bush have a defamation claim against CBS? You can say just about anything -- whether it's true of false -- but you can't falsify official records to libel even the most public of figures.


1,212 posted on 09/10/2004 7:05:45 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Howlin

The one thing that seems obvious to me about the signature aspect of these memos is even if they aren't a straight up forgery, since the documents have been photocopied so many times, couldn't it be pretty easy to physically cut and paste the signature (then white out any edge lines in the next generation of copies)?

And that's not even taking in to consideration what can be done with a computer and Photoshop.


1,213 posted on 09/10/2004 7:07:27 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: NavyCanDo
That is exactly what they are doing: keeping the charges in front of people, baiting us, repeating the TPs. Tonight I saw Robert Reich smoothly say that this was the result of ALL the "reputable investigative media": AP, NYT, Boston Globe......

They are getting even for SBVFT and are determined to denigrate W in the eyes of the voters........like us.

Sean didn't call him on it, either, although, to be fair, Sean did take him on and call him out continually. It wasn't schtick tonight; people are literally spitting and sniping at each other on the set.

The bigger the landslide for W, the worse the next 4 years are going to be.
1,214 posted on 09/10/2004 7:10:06 PM PDT by reformedliberal (W stands for WINNER!)
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To: reformedliberal
You missed my main point. A halfway competent lawyer can probably weasel even Rather out of any criminal charges here. However, the non-legal remedies may be fatal to Rather and CBS, and near fatal to the entire Old Media.

The economic repercussions could be huge, as Viacom/CBS lose big with the public, and eventually throw Rather to the wolves to protect the remnants of their investments. The maximum effect (possible, not probable) is for the lamestream media to recognize that they have just dropped to second place in the US to the new media. At that point, the net media lead, the old media follows, and the NY Times becomes a museum piece.

John / Billybob

1,215 posted on 09/10/2004 7:10:29 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Calpernia

Whoa, that was a scary April Fools joke.


1,216 posted on 09/10/2004 7:11:06 PM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Triskaidekaphobia ? Never heard of it !)
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To: RipSawyer
equivalent to the possibility that he had Mickey Spillane type the documents for him.



Mike Hammer fighting the Communists -- great story.
1,217 posted on 09/10/2004 7:11:08 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: xzins; Howlin; Buckhead
The signature is not really at issue, it is the fonts. No typewriter in the world could reproduce those documents. The horizontal spacing is identical. The Margins are identical to the default margins on Word. The vertical line spacing (which is adjustable) is identical to the default single space for Word. The font itself is identical to the default font for Word.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT TO INVESTIGATE THE SIGNATURES:

On this particular document (Memorandum For Record,Aug. 1, 1972) you will notice that the top of the signature is cut off and if you run a ruler across the bottom of the memo you will notice that the loop is cut off exactly where the bottom line of the memo is. You can't do that as part of your signature. That is a mistake. If you look at this memo: Memorandum, May 4, 1972 the loop is full, however a piece of the line is missing that could be attributed to copy loss or ink failure. But cutting off the top of a loop in a perfect horizontal break parallel to the bottom of the typed line is impossible.

This needs further investigation. It is clear that the signature was not a part of the original (computer generated) memo and was pasted on later.

Amateur hour at the forgery factory. Just do the ruler test.

The signature is cut off exactly where the bottom of the memo would run if you continued typing to the end of the page. That could only happen if the signature was pasted on later.

1,218 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:14 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: bvw

I am surprised the the Defense Investigative Service isn't asking Rather some hard questions right about now. Forging official government documents is a felony under US statutes on counterfeit and forgery. Forgery isn't just producing the document. It is also unlawful to pass it off as legitimate knowing that it isn't.


1,219 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:18 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mike Fieschko

1,220 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:53 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (John Kerry won't be happy until he's made us all as miserable as he is.)
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