[lugsoul]

Howlin, you seem to be the acknowledged expert on this. Before we get all the way down the "docs are forged" road, I have one question - what happens to a doc when it is scanned into a pdf file? I've had several occasions, in my job, where docs were scanned into my system and them modified and edited - I assume that, in that process, the typeface and formatting became something that is compatible with Adobe. If we were looking at jpeg or gif files, everything that is being said makes perfect sense. But pdf files are not merely "pictures."

I don't wanna see everybody jumping on that bandwagon, only to have the wheels fall off.

[Petronski]

But pdf files are not merely "pictures."

Some are 'just pictures.'

I get fax documents via e-mail all the time, and they come as a series of pages scanned as graphic files and stored in a pdf file.

On the other hand, optical character recognition software can scan a page, convert it to text and store it in an editable form as a series of characters, again, in a pdf file.

It can be done either way.

The SeeBS documents are images stored in a pdf, not characters.

[Howlin]

No, no, no....I am not an expert on anything, except running live threads.......LOL. I'm very vapid, haven't you heard??

And of all the things I do not know, Acrobat is near the top of my list! I still haven't figured out how to copy and paste from it.

Someone will be right along to explain it to you; that's the great thing about FR!

[eno_]

I've had several occasions, in my job, where docs were scanned into my system and them modified and edited - I assume that, in that process, the typeface and formatting became something that is compatible with Adobe.

No, in this case the document is a bitmap image. Everything - the fonts, the signature - is as it appears on paper.

[JustaCowgirl]

lugsoul, I think you have an excellent point.

Somebody who has Acrobat writer needs to do this experiment IMMEDIATELY! A .pdf file is searchable, which means that the document has the content encoded in some way. How does that change the look of the document? I can conceive of it creating a smaller superscript 'th', but I can't imagine it converting to a Times New Roman font and changing line breaks. I don't think it's a possibility, but it needs to be ruled out.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Hehehe. The word alleged should be wildly used right now.

[GoLightly]

Hmmm, smart pixilating characters, a shortcut created for fax machines.... Lets look at that superscript TH again. If it was converted in scanning, it would always be converted in scanning & one of the docs has it both ways.

Also too, that signature smells bad to me, now that I've seen on example of a known signature. Another of my former lives was as a bank teller AND a secretary we hired forged my signature on a bunch of checks, so I've had a little bit of experience in the area (though I'm no expert). I said in another post, on another thread, the first thing you wanna do to check the authenticity of a signature is turn both of your examples upside down. The flow, angles, natural spacing of letters pops out at you as different, unless your forger is very, very good.