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BushGuardaugust1 memo - a FAKE
CBS, self | 9/9/04 | Carl Donath

Posted on 09/09/2004 2:09:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2

Proof the CBS document BushGuardaugust1.pdf is a FAKE:

Original text, slightly adjusted for rectangular fit:

Same text, screen capture of document written in MS Word 2002 with no effort to match original aside from document width:

Overlapping images, with original as B/W negative:

Aside from slight warping presumably due to distortion introduced by a low-quality photocopier, the two texts line up exactly. The "30+ year old proof" against Bush is a fraud.


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To: An.American.Expatriate

The Longemont address is correct for 1968 but not for 1972 W lived elsewhere.

two other memos are at USA Today site along with the 4 preciously posted at CBS:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf


261 posted on 09/10/2004 2:40:07 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Did not wish to make a statement that the Adress was correct for the time the memo supposedly was written - instead wished to confirm that it was indeed a valid adress and that GWB had lived there. The other link also only serves to verify that the PO Box number, although "funny", was indeed valid for the unit.

All of which only means that the forger was clever enough to do "some" basic research to get a few details "correct".


262 posted on 09/10/2004 2:48:20 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: Technical Editor
I'm all for screaming "fraud," but I think I'd like to base such a cry on truly expert opinion, not my own.

Let me differ: if YOU can make an exact duplicate of the "original" by merely opening MS Word 2002 and entering the text, and either adjusting font size to 14 or changing page width, doesn't that make your own opinion strong enough to scream "fraud"? I did, you can - and there's no freaking way a few seconds of trivial effort should perfectly match a supposedly 30-year old document made on totally different technology.

263 posted on 09/10/2004 3:21:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: reformedliberal
I conclude that someone young did this. Someone well under 40. Someone who isn't necessarily interested in frequenting antique shows/shops/flea markets. Someone who is only familiar w/Word/PhotoShop & et al.

I agree, and would add that they have probably never seen a daisy wheel or ball type / selectrix - let alone ever having used one

I hope this is shoved so far someone starts coughing little chads

264 posted on 09/10/2004 3:22:37 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Bonaparte
CBS has admitted the kerry campaign handed off the docs to them.

Where can that be supported? If so, this grows exponentially.

265 posted on 09/10/2004 3:22:58 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: doug from upland

Correction: the discrepancy is that there is a space between the 1 and the st, which is narrow enough that I overlooked it - and such narrow spaces just were not done on typewriters then.


266 posted on 09/10/2004 3:25:13 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
I'm all for screaming "fraud," but I think I'd like to base such a cry on truly expert opinion, not my own.

Anyone who has ever spent much time on a typewriter is an "expert".

My "gotcha" is the centering on the 4 may document. There's just no way that someone can easily duplicate that on a real typewriter.

The point is, it's not just centered, it's EXACTLY centered. Right down to the fractions of a space required by the proportional font.

267 posted on 09/10/2004 5:53:03 AM PDT by narby (CBS - The new Democrat 527)
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To: JATO
I operated an IBM MT/ST (Magnetic Tape / Selectric Type) for the Army in 1972/73. It could have had the heading centered on the recorded "template" that was used for such. (I cut orders using a library of pre-recorded "boiler plate" or standard format.)

But Selectric typewriters were not proportional font, only the Executive models were. I hadn't ever heard of this Selective variant, but I can guess that you would re-wind the tape, and play it back so the typewriter would duplicate the form.

In order to fill out forms, they need to be "aligned" with the text, so that you can fill out the little boxes. Proportional type isn't aligned. Every letter has a different "space" it lives in.

Now just imagine a LtCol using any such typewriter just to make notes for his personal file.

Nope. Ain't going to happen.

Almost no one has commented on the raw improbability that:

1) the LtCol would create typewritten memos to himself and sign them, just for his personal file.

2) That they would show up somewhere, anywhere, 30 some years later after he was long dead.

If the guy was just looking for some CYA, he could far easier just keep a written notebook. Much easier to carry around.

268 posted on 09/10/2004 6:05:10 AM PDT by narby (CBS - The new Democrat 527)
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To: ctdonath2
"Where can that be supported?"

Thanks for bringing that up. I can't find the source for the CBS' statement (sorry - will try to track it down later - there are so many contradictory statements coming from CBS), but there is the following.

From Powerline (scroll down to 4th item on powerline home page)...

    The Prowler Reports

    Was the Kerry campaign the source of the Killian forgeries? The Prowler says there is evidence that it was. (The Spectator site is currently down because of a Drudge link--the same thing happened to us yesterday--so the link is to a cached version):

    More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

    The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

    "More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

    The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."

    A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.

    "The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."

    The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.

    Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign.

    Posted by Hindrocket at 07:59 AM | Permalink


269 posted on 09/10/2004 11:46:49 AM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: ctdonath2
This Rathergate timeline is being proposed.
270 posted on 09/10/2004 12:04:12 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: narby
I did a little research.

The executive selectrics were'nt all that proportional. They only had four letter widths. No chance that one of them produced this document.

It's been a LONG time but did'nt typewriters have single key th keys. Bet that does'nt match eather.

271 posted on 09/10/2004 1:52:29 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: IncPen

That is a very, very cool animation. Fantastic.


272 posted on 09/10/2004 3:28:45 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: ctdonath2

Absolutely breathtaking! Stupendous work. I am rendered speechless.


273 posted on 09/10/2004 4:59:13 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Go George go!)
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To: Buckhead
By the way, I posted some research on IBM Selectric fontsthat you might find interesting
274 posted on 09/10/2004 5:46:54 PM PDT by IncPen (Every Word From Kerry's Mouth is a Dishonorable Discharge... & the only 180 Kerry hasn't done is...)
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To: ctdonath2

Brilliant.


275 posted on 09/10/2004 7:17:25 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: IncPen

Would you mind reproducing your animation using Palatino Linotype?

The match appears even better.
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276 posted on 09/11/2004 9:19:14 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys
I would, but the original docs aren't mine. You might want to check this out..
277 posted on 09/11/2004 10:43:46 AM PDT by IncPen (Every Word From Kerry's Mouth is a Dishonorable Discharge... & the only 180 Kerry hasn't done is...)
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To: ctdonath2

Bump, Bttt, Bookmarking a thread that will become a legend.


278 posted on 09/11/2004 10:47:06 AM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (john F'n kerry reminds me of a horse, I'm just not sure which end.)
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To: PJ-Comix
The blog says it is smaller. So to accomplish it you would have to roll the platten up and replace the ball - then type two letters and replace the ball again and roll it back down. I've found a source that says proportional fonts were possible, but hasn't found THE font involved yet (I've seen it now, it sure looks like a member of the Times Roman family) as being available for the Selectric. None of the other documents from that command (of those that were released) indicate anything like this was in use though. I now begin to worry a tad.

Uh .... best to leave the forensics to experts. To type a superscript, you need to roll the platen down, type the characters, and then roll the platen backl up to return to the typing line.

279 posted on 09/11/2004 11:03:42 AM PDT by RightField (The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
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To: RightField

Huh? I never made the quote above that you attribute to me.


280 posted on 09/11/2004 1:13:18 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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