Well, Kerry probably used his influence as a distinguished member of Congress to keep his paychecks coming until 2001. He is, after all, a man of the people, and he desperately needs the income. That's just what a normal working family would do.
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THAT is the question we should be asking CONSTANTLY until he gets his ENTIRE service record made public. If he's so proud of his service, let him 'come clean,' like W has ALREADY! Never mind if he conned a new discharge -- what ELSE is in the file???
Does anybody know?
At the bottom of all this is the clear fact that the bureacracy in the military is clearly SNAFU......same as all the rest of the departments of government.
Is it Quinn?
"Is this true? (Kerry's discharge)"
Discharge? If it's a painfull discharge they have medicines for that...poor John.
If Kerry's selectively released documents do not contain an honorable discharge document, it lends this story credeence.
He had a number of drills to complete too, bet he never showed up! Our local guy in Memphis also noted the 2001 date.
No, Clinton is the one with discharge problems.
I recived this e-mail yesterday from a USAF LT COL.It is from a "A . L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director" Links to the site follows the e-mail.
There are some VERY interesting speculation here....
Subject: Interesting compilation
Subject: Interesting Compilation of Kerry Stuff
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:39:43 -0400
Both some interesting comments about the post active duty service, and
speculation about why Kerry won't release ALL of his records. Could he have
originally had a BCD or at least a General discharge due to his activities?
Did Clinton dress up his record by giving an honorable discharge (starting
the process) at the end of his tenure?
Where are HIS drill records and fitness reports from the time he supposedly
served in the Reserves?
Another really interesting question relates to the now suppressed story
showing that the bronze and silver star citations were "revisited" several
times in recent years, each time inserting new and more flowery, adulatory
prose. How does this work. I don't know of anybody who ever had their
citation "upgraded" years after the event, especially by those who knew
nothing of the events. I note that the ex Sec. Nav. Lehman and others have
no explanation and/or don't even remember the "new" citations being swapped
out for the old.
Interestingly, the savaging of the swifties and spinning of the Kerry people
including calling all the charges baseless lies now runs into their new ad
which uses Kerry speaking his own words. How will his spinners and screamers
be able to spin that one?
I called Steve Nash (see below) to see if there were a published version or
single source of this information. He told me that it was a compilation
from the Wintersoldier, Kerry and Judicial Watch websites by a group of his
Seals, regular Navy guys and even one former USAF member. Nash
compiled/edited it. Thought this might be of interest.
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,,Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize
the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony
battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an
Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible
service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly
suspect.
There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable,
Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the
'70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing
trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the
Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports
of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid
and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect
to his alleged valor under fire. Hopefully, this will blow up in his face
before October 15th.
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy
(plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also
signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty &
ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items
#4& $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also
subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against
his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation
should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year." On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt.John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in
Bainridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready reserves? Have these records been
released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled? On 1 July 1972 Lt. J ohn Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was
discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal! on national television,and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy
officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S.Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C.
953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3,
which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector ofPresident and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ," to
support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the
enemies thereof."
A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director
AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators
are US Navy SEALs" http://www.authentiseal.org/ http://www.authentiseal.org/
The March 2001 date probably comes from Kerry's update of his DD214 using a DD215.
Are recommendations for courts-martial maintained in personnel files?
Kerry was in the military?
3 types of discharges available short of a courts martial:
Honorable
General Under Honorable Circumstances
Other than Honorable
His anti-war activities may very well have landed him a gen or OTH... interesting
Detailed analysis of Kerry discharge now online at
http://www.vetsforbush.net/kerry-oth-discharge.pdf