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U.S. calls for diplomacy with Chechens(State Department)
AP ^ | 09/07/04 | BARRY SCHWEID

Posted on 09/07/2004 12:03:16 PM PDT by Pikamax

WASHINGTON AP) - The Bush administration differed Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin and said that only a political settlement could end the crisis between Russia and the breakaway region of Chechnya.

The administration also left open the possibility of U.S. meetings with Chechens who are not linked to terrorists.

Secretary of State Colin Powell and Deputy Secretary Richard Armitage signed a book of condolences at the Russian Embassy over the deaths of at least 330 people, most of them children, during a hostage-taking last week at a school in the southern city of Beslan.

(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobee.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: armitage; beslan; brzezinski; chechnya; ossetia; powell; russia
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If the Russians are occupying your country, you have no Army or Marines.

That's why I added more likely a militia --- like the early Americans did when they went up against the British ARMY but not against the little British school kids.

321 posted on 09/07/2004 10:04:28 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Leapfrog

"WTF???"

Exactly!! I am rethinking my vote this fall. The administration should be offering military assistance to kill these muslim extremists. I am livid about our response, or should I say lack of it.


322 posted on 09/07/2004 10:05:21 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: FITZ
"Maybe for the same reason we don't get our troops out of Iraq."

Let's see...

We toppled Saddam roughly a year ago, have set in place a Iraqi government that's about to hold democratic elections, but you are going to compare the US presence in Iraq to the forty year Russian occupation of Poland?

323 posted on 09/07/2004 10:05:30 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: freeperfromnj
You've got to be kidding me.

Ditto that....

324 posted on 09/07/2004 10:06:37 PM PDT by danmar ("The two most common elements in the Universe is Hydrogen and Stupidity" Albert Einstein)
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To: MarMema

Since Russia invaded Chechnya in 1994, they've been guilty of acts of genocide on the Chechen people.

Would you support the US troops committing genocide in Iraq?


325 posted on 09/07/2004 10:08:15 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
What has caused this about-face in Russian public opinion? In the time between the two wars the empathy that a large segment of Russian society had felt for the 1991 Chechen revolution dissipated, particularly that of the liberal intellectuals. A number of factors repelled even those Russian intellectuals who had unconditionally supported "the Chechen struggle for independence": the rise in crime; Chechnya's de facto independence; the relentless raids on neighboring territories; the kidnapping and hostage taking, which included journalists and international humanitarian workers; and the increase in slavery and slave trading.

This reassessment did not evolve without twists and extremes. In the early 1990s many Russian intellectuals ignored the criminal tinge in the Chechens' national liberation movement. Recently, however, they have been willing to identify nearly the entire current population of Chechnya with criminals.

These attitudes became widespread after an incident in August 1999. Detachments of Chechen and Dagestani fighters commanded by Shamil Basayev and Amir Khatab crossed the Chechen-Dagestan border and attempted to seize several areas of the Dagestan Republic. All Russian political forces supported the government's actions to rebuff the terrorists. If there was any criticism in the Russian press, the author is not aware of it.

326 posted on 09/07/2004 10:10:04 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

The Dagestan Republic WAS Chechnya before the Bolsheviks split the country.

Oh, that's right...Bolsheviks; not the same as Soviets, not the same as Russians.


327 posted on 09/07/2004 10:13:21 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Iraq did the same thing, invaded Kuwait, and we went after them. Ditto for the Russians when the chechens invaded Dagestan.

Now if you want to talk about killing children, go read what the liberals have to say about the children who died in Iraq under our sanctions.

328 posted on 09/07/2004 10:13:22 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The Dagestan Republic WAS Chechnya before the Bolsheviks split the country.

So then I guess we should release parts of Texas and California too.

The Dagestanis wanted no part of the chechens and asked Russia for help.

329 posted on 09/07/2004 10:14:49 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
"Iraq did the same thing, invaded Kuwait."

You mean the same thing that the Bolsheviks (not to be confused with Soviets or Russians) did when they invaded Dagestan in 1923 and divided the nation?

330 posted on 09/07/2004 10:16:30 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
the rise in crime; Chechnya's de facto independence; the relentless raids on neighboring territories; the kidnapping and hostage taking, which included journalists and international humanitarian workers; and the increase in slavery and slave trading.

Just remember, this was what turned the Russians against the chechens between the wars. Chechen behavior.

The only pro-chechens left on earth are those who hate Russia so virulently that even satan himself would be their choice between the two.

Good night.

331 posted on 09/07/2004 10:17:06 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Pikamax

Seriously is this some kind of joke?


332 posted on 09/07/2004 10:17:39 PM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: MineralMan

"Sure. I'm with you. Now, all we have to do is round them up. Where are they? What are their names? Let's go get 'em."

If you don't think we know who all the heads of the major terrorist groups are and where most of their locations are, you are sorely mistaken. We know who they are and where they rut. The only thing keeping us from killing them all is politics and political correctness. These operations would involve breaching the borders of many soveriegn nations, and our government doesn't have the guts to go do it, plain and simple.



333 posted on 09/07/2004 10:18:38 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: MarMema

Texas anexed itself to the U.S.

We took California from Mexico.

Sometimes is good to recognize that some of the things nations do are not always kosher.

What the U.S. didn't do, was failing to give either Texas or California, or its citizens, a voice in their government.


334 posted on 09/07/2004 10:18:41 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: MarMema

Of the two...Chechnya and Russia, which one aimed nuclear war heads at the US mainland?

Of the two...Chechnya and Russia, which one was supporting Saddam Hussein?


335 posted on 09/07/2004 10:20:40 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: MarMema

I'm not pro-Chechen, I'm anti-Russian.


336 posted on 09/07/2004 10:21:15 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

If Chechens wanted to be free from Russia, they made a mistake by turning to the Arabs.


337 posted on 09/07/2004 10:21:26 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Of the two, only one should be allowed to have breeding adults.


338 posted on 09/07/2004 10:21:26 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Truthsayer20

It is sad how the war on terrorism seems to be a pretext for waging tribal or religious war for some folks. President Bush has consistently stated that we not in a war against Islam or Muslims, the problem is terrorism and those who support it.

Bush is too much of a gentleman and politician to say we are in a war against ISLAMIC MUSLIM EXTREMISTS, so he prefers to keep it generic. In the meantime, the ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS continue to wage JIHAD on the west.


339 posted on 09/07/2004 10:22:32 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: MarMema
"Of the two, only one should be allowed to have breeding adults."

And the difference between you and Chechen terrorists is...?

340 posted on 09/07/2004 10:22:50 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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